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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I fully support this. It would mean two more democratic senators. Additionally, California is way under-represented in Washington. Why should a state like Wyoming or Idaho, with less than a million people have the same number of senators as California with 25 million people?
    Because you don't understand the difference between the House of Representatives and the Senate?
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously don't have a clue about California politics. Northern California is more liberal than Southern California.
    Obviously YOU don't have a clue. The map goes like this the Orange ,San Diego, desert rural, the San Joaquin valley, Northern California, minus parts of Sacramento and Stockton are all pretty solidly conservative areas. The coast and the metropolitan areas of Los Angeles and San Francisco are pretty solidly liberal. The liberals out number the conservatives right now by about 1 million population wise.PoliticalGeogFigure-2_web.jpg
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    From the same article....
    Seems this area of the state isn't able to support itself, so how's that going to work for them?

    The debate over the State of Jefferson often boils down to a balance sheet. Laufer's tally from the state Department of Finance concluded that California's four northernmost counties take in $20 million or so more per year from Sacramento than they provide.
    At a recent Board of Supervisors forum, Tehama County Chief Administrator Bill Goodwin estimated a loss of $5 million in public works funding annually and a 75% drop in education funding were the county to join in, and he hadn't begun to calculate the impact on health and social service programs.
    Then there are logistics: What to do about the state prison in Crescent City? Who gets the Caltrans equipment left behind? And what of steep out-of-state tuition Jeffersonians would be forced to pay in California's higher education system?
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You obviously don't have a clue about California politics. Northern California is more liberal than Southern California.
    You think people from Tehama, Glenn or Siskiyou counties are liberal?

    Menocino county is liberal, Chico is fairly liberal, parts of Humbolt county, maybe, but the area as a whole? No way.


    Have you ever lived in that part of the state? I grew up there, and no freaking way is most of this proposed state liberal.
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    From the same article....
    Seems this area of the state isn't able to support itself, so how's that going to work for them?
    Why does it seem like that to you?
    If separated they would then be able to determine where their taxes go and to that which it wouldn't.
    For all you know they would have a surplus at the same tax rate because they would not be funding all the liberal crap.
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    From the same article....

    Seems this area of the state isn't able to support itself, so how's that going to work for them?
    The WHOLE STATE cant support itself.

    California is the typical Liberal Cluster ****, as their Liberal Governor claims a budget "Surplus" but then refuses to include their nearly 500 Billion in unfunded State pensions and Health Care cost.

    Lies and stupid gullible voters that believe them.

    THATS California.

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    Re: State of Northern CA

    I fully support this. It would mean two more democratic senators. Additionally, California is way under-represented in Washington. Why should a state like Wyoming or Idaho, with less than a million people have the same number of senators as California with 25 million people?
    first the senate represents the states. since all states are equal they each get 2 senators a piece.

    The house represents the people and that is why CA has the most house reps in office. i think they have a total of like 50. you can't have less than 1 representative so every state gets at least 1 rep in the house.

    this is basic US history.

    You obviously don't have a clue about California politics. Northern California is more liberal than Southern California. .
    umm yes the further north you get in CA the more conservative you get. except for the coastal regions. further south you get SF, LA etc which are the liberal bastions of CA.

    The WHOLE STATE cant support itself.

    California is the typical Liberal Cluster ****, as their Liberal Governor claims a budget "Surplus" but then refuses to include their nearly 500 Billion in unfunded State pensions and Health Care cost.

    Lies and stupid gullible voters that believe them.

    THATS California
    i agree and half their problem is the 1m different social programs that they have. they waste billions of dollars a year on stupid crap that the money could be better used elsewhere.

    which is the problem because the northern half of the state has no say in it and are having to pay for it. probably why they are struggling to begin with.

    it is funny CA has some of the most expensive and highest state taxes out there and they are still broke. they are losing a ton of business to places like texas where corporations can operate cheaper. the whole state will end up like detroit.

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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because you don't understand the difference between the House of Representatives and the Senate?
    No...I understand the difference....I just think it is a severely flawed system...when 2 Senators represent 25 million and 2 Senators represent less than a million. This is why I support California splitting. It would at least cut down the differential somewhat...and it would be two more liberal democratic senators.
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...I understand the difference....I just think it is a severely flawed system...when 2 Senators represent 25 million and 2 Senators represent less than a million. This is why I support California splitting. It would at least cut down the differential somewhat...and it would be two more liberal democratic senators.
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    Re: State of Northern CA

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Obviously YOU don't have a clue. The map goes like this the Orange ,San Diego, desert rural, the San Joaquin valley, Northern California, minus parts of Sacramento and Stockton are all pretty solidly conservative areas. The coast and the metropolitan areas of Los Angeles and San Francisco are pretty solidly liberal. The liberals out number the conservatives right now by about 1 million population wise.PoliticalGeogFigure-2_web.jpg
    No...I understand quite well. As a Californian, you are probably aware that the orange areas on your map are the sparsely populated counties. Anyone in California knows that while both Southern California and Northern California trend more liberal than conservative, Northern California is definitely more liberal than Southern California.
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