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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Really? We need to do some "soul searching?" Whatever happened to personal responsibility where people are accountable for their actions and their actions alone?



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    Hate to say it, but these incidents seem to always predominately concern African Americans. It's like all those retarded videos on WSHH.

    That community needs to do some serious soul searching

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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Really? We need to do some "soul searching?"
    Yes, the african american community has this pervasive attitude where criminality is largely excused and accepted


    Whatever happened to personal responsibility where people are accountable for their actions and their actions alone?
    personal responsibility plays a large part, but community pressures and ideals, do as well. It's not an either or scenario. Children grow up in and learn from the people around them

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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Really? We need to do some "soul searching?" Whatever happened to personal responsibility where people are accountable for their actions and their actions alone?
    Because of the notion that "it's society's fault" some people rationalize this kind of behavior.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, the african american community has this pervasive attitude where criminality is largely excused and accepted




    personal responsibility plays a large part, but community pressures and ideals, do as well. It's not an either or scenario. Children grow up in and learn from the people around them

    Actually, criminality is not excused or accepted in the African-American community. That's quite false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually, criminality is not excused or accepted in the African-American community. That's quite false.
    1st, I wrote "largely excused and accepted in the African american community" and I would argue that it is. How many times have we heart AAS community leaders lament the fact that there is a drastic shortage of positive role models in the aa community and that such communities are dominated by criminal elements?

    Are they lying? Do we not see a huge percentage of inmates being african american, despite similar numbers not being reflected among black immigrant groups? Are not crime rates particularly high among african american communities? Are African Americans not generally distrustful of the mainstream american experience and alienated from many of the institutions that could offer them a route outside such a future?

    Yes, the african american community has some very real systemic issues born from it's unique past, and anyone that isn't merely catering to PC notions or some moronic defense mechanism is more than willing to admit that

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    Re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How can we blame this on Obama?
    Actually, I was reading through the posts looking to see who would be the first to blame Bush!

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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1st, I wrote "largely excused and accepted in the African american community" and I would argue that it is. How many times have we heart AAS community leaders lament the fact that there is a drastic shortage of positive role models in the aa community and that such communities are dominated by criminal elements?

    Are they lying? Do we not see a huge percentage of inmates being african american, despite similar numbers not being reflected among black immigrant groups? Are not crime rates particularly high among african american communities? Are African Americans not generally distrustful of the mainstream american experience and alienated from many of the institutions that could offer them a route outside such a future?

    Yes, the african american community has some very real systemic issues born from it's unique past, and anyone that isn't merely catering to PC notions or some moronic defense mechanism is more than willing to admit that

    But the question is why does this occur? And on top of that, it doesn't mean that African-Americans excuse criminal behavior. This occurs, in main part, due to the War on Drugs, coupled with the deindustrialization of America. Some people living in urban areas that used to be manufacturing hubs are now forced by circumstances to sell drugs in order to get by as there are little to no other economic opportunities available to them.

    There is a massive difference being an African-American and an African immigrant, so you can't really compare those two groups.
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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    But the question is why does this occur?
    That is a very legitimate question, what you can't argue is that it doesn't exist, like you have been trying.


    And on top of that, it doesn't mean that African-Americans excuse criminal behavior.
    Why are you purposely ignoring what I wrote? Again "largely excused and accepted in the African american community". Your statement indicates that I think it's all inclusive, when that is clearly not the case. I know many African Americans do not except this, but they are also fighting a very uphill battle

    This occurs, in main part, due to the War on Drugs, coupled with the deindustrialization of America.
    The war on drugs forces people to commit crime? That doesn't make no sense. People are still left with the choice to engage in such activity or not, but such behavior is often openly accepted within african american communities. This also influence the high number of arrests, since such markets are easy to monitor and investigate.

    Some people living in urban areas that used to be manufacturing hubs are now forced by circumstances to sell drugs in order to get by as there are little to no other economic opportunities available to them.
    Lol, look at you suddenly shifting around after previously braying about personal responsibility~!!! Now african americans are mindless automatons that can't make free choices. Unfortunately for you, it's obvious that drug dealing is glorified in much of the popular african american media over the route of going to school, getting a job, etc( hence it not being an either/or situation).

    In other poor and uneducated ethnic communities you have the same issues, but the people populating them do not suffer from the same historical and cultural hardships of the african american community, so they are not at some insane endemic level

    There is a massive difference being an African-American and an African immigrant, so you can't really compare those two groups.
    Sure I can. i can compare them based on the idea we are simply not talking about skin color here

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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    But the question is why does this occur? And on top of that, it doesn't mean that African-Americans excuse criminal behavior. This occurs, in main part, due to the War on Drugs, coupled with the deindustrialization of America. Some people living in urban areas that used to be manufacturing hubs are now forced by circumstances to sell drugs in order to get by as there are little to no other economic opportunities available to them.

    There is a massive difference being an African-American and an African immigrant, so you can't really compare those two groups.
    Africans and East Indians do quite well here. They attain higher educational levels, maintain family structure, and dont fall for the victim mentality. And they surpass AA's in many respects according to research-and yet we are to believe (from the left) that these differences are not because of AA culture but racism.

    Further, we are to believe that despite the fact that asians are also a minority group who surpasss whites in educational attainment, income, family structure, loans, home ownership, etc-that blacks are somehow different.

    The crap behavior you are attempting to justify has nothing to do with reality. People can be poor and yet maintain family, honest life, etc.

    After doing the research, Im of the opinion that AA's problems are culturally related, and due to shortcomings both started and worsened by American liberals.


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    re: 600 People Involved in Movie Theater Brawl, 5 Arrested.....[W:34,61]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Africans and East Indians do quite well here. They attain higher educational levels, maintain family structure, and dont fall for the victim mentality. And they surpass AA's in many respects according to research-and yet we are to believe (from the left) that these differences are not because of AA culture but racism.
    Equally moronic is the rights insistence that this culture didn't develop in response to generations of systemic racism, bigotry, and plain old exploitation ...



    Further, we are to believe that despite the fact that asians are also a minority group who surpasss whites in educational attainment, income, family structure, loans, home ownership, etc-that blacks are somehow different.
    Well, being that they didn't experience slavery, jim crow, segregation, etc, yes ....

    The crap behavior you are attempting to justify has nothing to do with reality. People can be poor and yet maintain family, honest life, etc.
    I agree.

    After doing the research, Im of the opinion that AA's problems are culturally related, and due to shortcomings both started and worsened by American liberals.
    Well, first, I'm sure what passes off as research to you is rather laughable and wouldn't pass the smell test of the 5th grade civics class. Secondly, you're clearly the special type of stupid that lacks the ability to approach any topic in an objective manner and simply uses such to indulge some semi-primitive tribal mentality. So there is likely little reason to give such claim of expertise much consideration without looking to it's actual merits.

    Third, it's obvious you seem intent on ignoring how and why that culture developed, as opposed to simply using it as some hackneyed political tool, which just further underlines the above.

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