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Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

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(CNN) "A man has been charged with a federal hate crime in connection with what authorities say was a racially motivated "knockout" assault against an elderly Black man, the U.S. Justice Department said Thursday.

Read more here: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/26/justice/texas-knockout-charge/index.html?hpt=_c2
These 'knockout' crimes have been happening all over the USA, hopefully law enforcement will keep a lid on these cowardly crimes.

It doesn't take a very brave man to attack an elderly person with no warning.
 
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It's only racist if a white person does it. You didn't know?
 
More evidence that the Obama administration is anti-white racist.

Every white person who voted for Obama is just as ignorant as a black person who voted for the KKK.
 
Muhammed said:
More evidence that the Obama administration is anti-white racist.

Every white person who voted for Obama is just as ignorant as a black person who voted for the OBAMA.
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His policies go against minorities in America even worse than his predecessor. They are designed to keep minorities down and dependent on the Fed. Couldn't get anymore racist if they had to.
 
The reason its a hate crime is because there is clear evidence that is what it was. He laid the whole thing out on video, indicating his exact intentions in doing all this.

I don't know the details of all of these knockout games, if there is clear evidence in the others that it was a hate crime then they should also be charged as such.
 
More garbage from the trash talkers. When you announce beforehand that you're going to do it, and why, then brag about it afterward, the feds have no alternative but apply the law. He's not the first, and won't be the last. It's sold as a black on white crime, but he's demonstrated that it's not so. It's a coward on innocent crime, and if there's a race element that can be proven, then throw that at the scum as well.
 
Verax said:
The reason its a hate crime is because there is clear evidence that is what it was. He laid the whole thing out on video, indicating his exact intentions in doing all this.

I don't know the details of all of these knockout games, if there is clear evidence in the others that it was a hate crime then they should also be charged as such.
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bingo

while im not a fan of hate crimes because i think cribabies can make them too vague i do support them when there is clear evidence and in that is the case. its his words on video. He stated his goal was to target blacks, thats a hate crime :shrug:
 
Manc Skipper said:
More garbage from the trash talkers. When you announce beforehand that you're going to do it, and why, then brag about it afterward, the feds have no alternative but apply the law. He's not the first, and won't be the last. It's sold as a black on white crime, but he's demonstrated that it's not so. It's a coward on innocent crime, and if there's a race element that can be proven, then throw that at the scum as well.
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But it is a local crime and Texas can charge him with their own hate crime statute.

Why did the federal govt get involved in local crime?
 
AGENT J said:
bingo

while im not a fan of hate crimes because i think cribabies can make them too vague i do support them when there is clear evidence and in that is the case. its his words on video. He stated his goal was to target blacks, thats a hate crime :shrug:
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That is a local hate crime, not a federal one.

What is Holder trying to achieve with this?
 
MichaelJR said:
It's only racist if a white person does it. You didn't know?
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No, it was probably labeled as a hate crime due to the fact the attacker makes his motivations clear on the video and that they are dependent on race
 
Mason66 said:
But it is a local crime and Texas can charge him with their own hate crime statute.

Why did the federal govt get involved in local crime?
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If I am not mistaken, he can be found guilty in Federal court and also prosecuted under state laws. This is truly known as "throwing the book" at someone. And so he deserves.

Here we go:

The "separate sovereigns" exception to double jeopardy arises from the dual nature of the American Federal-State system, one in which states are sovereigns with plenary power that have relinquished a number of enumerated powers to the Federal government. Double jeopardy attaches only to prosecutions for the same criminal act by the same sovereign, but as separate sovereigns, both the federal and state governments can bring separate prosecutions for the same act.
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Yeah, being railroaded or not, it's hard to have any sympathy for a guy who attacked a 79 year old man
 
Yeah, it's a hate crime. I wish the media would stop covering this stupid **** so that less racist idiot assholes would learn about it.

And before the angry beehive army attacks, yes, i believe that it's a hate crime when any racial group does it.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
No, it was probably labeled as a hate crime due to the fact the attacker makes his motivations clear on the video and that they are dependent on race
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What about the hundreds of black kids that did the same thing? I'm sorry, but there is a double standard.
 
MichaelJR said:
What about the hundreds of black kids that did the same thing? I'm sorry, but there is a double standard.
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look, I agree how the state and population generally reacts to crimes involving people of divergent races is often approached with a double standard, but do any of the other incidences you mention above involve a video of someone saying akin to"I'm going to knock out a white person"? If not, then you have a rather weak claim to this specific case
 
MaggieD said:
If I am not mistaken, he can be found guilty in Federal court and also prosecuted under state laws. This is truly known as "throwing the book" at someone. And so he deserves.

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Yes I understand that but what makes this crime so important that the feds have to come in to charge?

It is a local assault, nothing more. there is no federal jurisdiction at all.

Somebody wants to make a name for themselves good or bad.
 
Aren't there hate crimes against the elderly too?
 
Mason66 said:
Aren't there hate crimes against the elderly too?
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in another thread someone mentioned texas has a special class of assault laws for when the victim is over 60
 
Mason66 said:
That is a local hate crime, not a federal one.

What is Holder trying to achieve with this?
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holder?

I have no clue, nor do i care really lol,What have his comments been?
is there something off topic you read that you want to discuss? was holder even mentioned in the OP? what as he said?
Maybe it was in the video i didnt watch the video all i read in the OP was this

"Hate crimes tear at the fabric of entire communities," U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Jocelyn Samuels said Thursday in a Justice Department statement announcing the charge against Barrett. "As always, the Civil Rights Division will work with our federal and state law enforcement partners to ensure that hate crimes are identified and prosecuted, and that justice is done."

Maybe that answers your question?
 
shrubnose said:
It doesn't take a very brave man to attack an elderly person with no warning.
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Absolutely agree. All these "knock out game" stories are sad and indication of cowardess to me, but the ones with them going after elderly are the worst. This sadly wasn't the first.

Though I disagree with the notion of "hate crime" legislation. The motivations for the attack shouldn't create some additional laywer of culpability and punishment. I'd be fine with allowing motivation to be taken into account when determining sentencing based on the law that is broken, but I'm against placing additional penalties and violations on top of things because it was motivated by "hate".
 
Zyphlin said:
Absolutely agree. All these "knock out game" stories are sad and indication of cowardess to me, but the ones with them going after elderly are the worst. This sadly wasn't the first.

Though I disagree with the notion of "hate crime" legislation. The motivations for the attack shouldn't create some additional laywer of culpability and punishment. I'd be fine with allowing motivation to be taken into account when determining sentencing based on the law that is broken, but I'm against placing additional penalties and violations on top of things because it was motivated by "hate".
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Well, you wouldn't want the hate crime people getting lighter sentences then the people who committed love crimes, would you?! ;)
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Did any of those black kids openly say that they going after someone because they were white?
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Yes...And being Jewish was another stated motivation....

As far as I know, the federal statute contains a precursor that it be applied in the event that local prosecution has a likelyhood of failure....

Where is that in this TX case?
 
AGENT J said:
holder?

I have no clue, nor do i care really lol,What have his comments been?
is there something off topic you read that you want to discuss? was holder even mentioned in the OP? what as he said?
Maybe it was in the video i didnt watch the video all i read in the OP was this

"Hate crimes tear at the fabric of entire communities," U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Jocelyn Samuels said Thursday in a Justice Department statement announcing the charge against Barrett. "As always, the Civil Rights Division will work with our federal and state law enforcement partners to ensure that hate crimes are identified and prosecuted, and that justice is done."

Maybe that answers your question?
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Are you not aware that Holder is the head of the department that will prosecute this case?

he is responsible for whatever happens in his department and his underlings act on his behalf.
 
Mason66 said:
Are you not aware that Holder is the head of the department that will prosecute this case?

he is responsible for whatever happens in his department and his underlings act on his behalf.
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yes im fully aware now maybe you can answer the questions

What have his comments been? what as he said?
is there something off topic you read that you want to discuss?
was holder even mentioned in the OP?
Maybe it was in the video i didnt watch the video all i read in the OP was this

"Hate crimes tear at the fabric of entire communities," U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Jocelyn Samuels said Thursday in a Justice Department statement announcing the charge against Barrett. "As always, the Civil Rights Division will work with our federal and state law enforcement partners to ensure that hate crimes are identified and prosecuted, and that justice is done."

Maybe that answers your question? does it?
 
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