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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It doesn't take a very brave man to attack an elderly person with no warning.
    Absolutely agree. All these "knock out game" stories are sad and indication of cowardess to me, but the ones with them going after elderly are the worst. This sadly wasn't the first.

    Though I disagree with the notion of "hate crime" legislation. The motivations for the attack shouldn't create some additional laywer of culpability and punishment. I'd be fine with allowing motivation to be taken into account when determining sentencing based on the law that is broken, but I'm against placing additional penalties and violations on top of things because it was motivated by "hate".

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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely agree. All these "knock out game" stories are sad and indication of cowardess to me, but the ones with them going after elderly are the worst. This sadly wasn't the first.

    Though I disagree with the notion of "hate crime" legislation. The motivations for the attack shouldn't create some additional laywer of culpability and punishment. I'd be fine with allowing motivation to be taken into account when determining sentencing based on the law that is broken, but I'm against placing additional penalties and violations on top of things because it was motivated by "hate".

    Well, you wouldn't want the hate crime people getting lighter sentences then the people who committed love crimes, would you?!
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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Did any of those black kids openly say that they going after someone because they were white?
    Yes...And being Jewish was another stated motivation....

    As far as I know, the federal statute contains a precursor that it be applied in the event that local prosecution has a likelyhood of failure....

    Where is that in this TX case?
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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    holder?

    I have no clue, nor do i care really lol,What have his comments been?
    is there something off topic you read that you want to discuss? was holder even mentioned in the OP? what as he said?
    Maybe it was in the video i didnt watch the video all i read in the OP was this

    "Hate crimes tear at the fabric of entire communities," U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Jocelyn Samuels said Thursday in a Justice Department statement announcing the charge against Barrett. "As always, the Civil Rights Division will work with our federal and state law enforcement partners to ensure that hate crimes are identified and prosecuted, and that justice is done."

    Maybe that answers your question?
    Are you not aware that Holder is the head of the department that will prosecute this case?

    he is responsible for whatever happens in his department and his underlings act on his behalf.

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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Are you not aware that Holder is the head of the department that will prosecute this case?

    he is responsible for whatever happens in his department and his underlings act on his behalf.
    yes im fully aware now maybe you can answer the questions

    What have his comments been? what as he said?
    is there something off topic you read that you want to discuss?
    was holder even mentioned in the OP?
    Maybe it was in the video i didnt watch the video all i read in the OP was this

    "Hate crimes tear at the fabric of entire communities," U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Jocelyn Samuels said Thursday in a Justice Department statement announcing the charge against Barrett. "As always, the Civil Rights Division will work with our federal and state law enforcement partners to ensure that hate crimes are identified and prosecuted, and that justice is done."

    Maybe that answers your question? does it?
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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes im fully aware now maybe you can answer the questions

    What have his comments been? what as he said?
    is there something off topic you read that you want to discuss?
    was holder even mentioned in the OP?
    Maybe it was in the video i didnt watch the video all i read in the OP was this

    "Hate crimes tear at the fabric of entire communities," U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Jocelyn Samuels said Thursday in a Justice Department statement announcing the charge against Barrett. "As always, the Civil Rights Division will work with our federal and state law enforcement partners to ensure that hate crimes are identified and prosecuted, and that justice is done."

    Maybe that answers your question? does it?
    It doesn't matter what he has said. His department jumped n this case like stink on ****. It is very much on topic.

    Where is the state prosecution? They have first crack at this and the feds don't have jurisdiction.

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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely agree. All these "knock out game" stories are sad and indication of cowardess to me, but the ones with them going after elderly are the worst. This sadly wasn't the first.

    Though I disagree with the notion of "hate crime" legislation. The motivations for the attack shouldn't create some additional laywer of culpability and punishment. I'd be fine with allowing motivation to be taken into account when determining sentencing based on the law that is broken,
    but I'm against placing additional penalties and violations on top of things because it was motivated by "hate".



    I definitely agree that piling laws and penalties on top of laws and penalties doesn't get the job done.

    If we would just fairly enforce the laws that are already on the books we would save a lot of paper, time, and money.

    And our legislators could spend more time enacting laws that actually help the USA and its citizens.

    Anytime anyone attacks anyone there is usually a lot of hate going on.

    Very few people attack people that they love.
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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    1.)It doesn't matter what he has said. His department jumped n this case like stink on ****.
    2.) It is very much on topic.
    3.)Where is the state prosecution?
    4.)They have first crack at this and the feds don't have jurisdiction.
    1.) of course it does when your question was "What is Holder trying to achieve with this?" which has nothign to do with my post

    so if you want that questioned answered besides "i dont know" youll have to provide some more info, it matters 100%

    2.) no it wasnt on topic with anything i posted and you quoted me

    3.) again is there not one? is there something in the article that says there isnt one?

    4.) why? says who? if they deem it a federal crime thats that, how do you ever come to the conclusion they have no jurisdiction?

    again is there something specific you are trying to ask and with back ground info?
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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I definitely agree that piling laws and penalties on top of laws and penalties doesn't get the job done.

    If we would just fairly enforce the laws that are already on the books we would save a lot of paper, time, and money.

    And our legislators could spend more time enacting laws that actually help the USA and its citizens.

    Anytime anyone attacks anyone there is usually a lot of hate going on.

    Very few people attack people that they love.
    Absolutely. The strange thing is that I have no issue with it being considered as part of the sentencing process.

    Person A punched someone in the face at a bar. Seperately, person B ALSO punched someone in the face at a bar.

    Upon the trial, there's reasonable evidence that Person A threw his punch after a guy grabbed his wife's ass and made a lewd comment towards her.

    Upon trial, there's reasonable evidence that Person B threw his punch after a black man sat next to him when earlier in the night he stated "I can't stand all these N-words coming into this bar".

    I have no issue with Person A being given the low end of the sentencing guidelines for battery based on the circumstances, nor do I have an issue with Person B being given the high end of the sentencing guidelines for his circumstances. There's a greater reason to believe that Person B would be a menace to society in a similar fashion in the future than person A would be.

    I'd be absolutely fine if we handled "Hate" situations in that fashion. But not with a complete seperate statute that simply makes a crime into something even larger.

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    Re: Feds: 'Knockout' attack was a hate crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) of course it does when your question was "What is Holder trying to achieve with this?" which has nothign to do with my post

    so if you want that questioned answered besides "i dont know" youll have to provide some more info, it matters 100%

    2.) no it wasnt on topic with anything i posted and you quoted me

    3.) again is there not one? is there something in the article that says there isnt one?

    4.) why? says who? if they deem it a federal crime thats that, how do you ever come to the conclusion they have no jurisdiction?

    again is there something specific you are trying to ask and with back ground info?
    What makes this a federal crime?

    Was the attackee a federal employee?

    Was this attack on federal property?

    The feds just can't come in and take over a local case without jurisdiction.

    So my question still stands, as the head of his department and the man who is responsible for the steps of every employee under his mandate, what is Holder trying to accomplish with this case?

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