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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Considering all the behind-the-scene maneuvering going on, is there any wonder that people don't trust our government? They get us into wars that sacrifice our young people, and we don't half the time understand why! The media helps by telling us who we need to hate this month, and people buy it? Unfortunately, yes. Case in point:
    We're now supposed to believe that Al Queda are our friends
    , after being told for years they are the enemy we are fighting? Right! .Welcome to 1984!

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well you coulda stopped right there ... I suspect you may be the only one who still believes whatever the hell he's shouting.
    I'm sure you'd like to believe that anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't hate Obama as much as you is therefore in lockstep with Obama. Sorry to inform you that there is a whole world out there beyond the black and white boxes you prefer to put people in.
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I think maybe the most transparent administration ever could try to "negotiate" (read: pressure ... threaten) an (ahem) ally like Pock-ees-tahn without having it plastered all over the news to show how tough they are.
    But that effort wouldn't fit in with the nationalization of the healthcare system component of their redistribution plans so I wouldn't count on it.
    The Pakistanis hid OBL in safety for years, they have the doctor who helped them find OBL in jail, and now they are holding this American. It seems to me that there is no reason that it couldn't be mentioned what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and Hussein when they are talking negotiation, and let it be known that it can happen again.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm sure you'd like to believe that anyone who disagrees with you or doesn't hate Obama as much as you is therefore in lockstep with Obama. Sorry to inform you that there is a whole world out there beyond the black and white boxes you prefer to put people in.
    Cool.
    So let's hear from one of the gray boxes ... tell us some of the lies you know Obama has told.
    There's a lot to choose from.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Pakistanis hid OBL in safety for years, they have the doctor who helped them find OBL in jail, and now they are holding this American. It seems to me that there is no reason that it couldn't be mentioned what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and Hussein when they are talking negotiation, and let it be known that it can happen again.
    (Leaving aside whether we should have been involved with toppling some of those on the list you mentioned.)
    Yeah.
    That kind of thing.
    Warn 'em in private.
    Don't publicly establish a red line for them to cross and us to ignore after they do.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Pakistanis hid OBL in safety for years, they have the doctor who helped them find OBL in jail, and now they are holding this American. It seems to me that there is no reason that it couldn't be mentioned what happened to Gaddafi, Mubarak and Hussein when they are talking negotiation, and let it be known that it can happen again.
    the problem ( as previously stated) is we have a security pact pending with Afg. We cannot stabilize that gov't, and alienate Paki.

    Paki pretty much loathes the US, especially our drones ( a whole national party is now formed because of droning). and is blocking the Kyber Pass, for supply lines

    Protests spearheaded by the political party, Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI), have been blockading a NATO supply route to Afghanistan since November 23. They pushed the US to suspend military shipments on the route last week because the officials were afraid they endangered drivers.

    Therefore, it is not surprising that what was reported is Pakistani leaders would take “immediate action”—whatever that might means—so that the “shipment problem” with land routes from the port of Karachi to Afghanistan were resolved.

    Representatives from NATO issued requests to PTI to reopen supply routes. Khan denied the request and pledged to keep the protests going until drone strikes are stopped.
    The protests have been a part of an escalation of resistance against US drone protests
    Faced with Anti-Drone Blockade Disrupting NATO Supply Route, US Warns Pakistan Aid Could Be Cut Off | The Dissenter

    I'd have to look to see if the supply line is re-opened, but the political party has been gaining momentum
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    the problem ( as previously stated) is we have a security pact pending with Afg. We cannot stabilize that gov't, and alienate Paki.
    I doubt there will be any security with Afghanistan because they won't recognize any pacts. Those are for our consumption in an attempt to define that we are 'leaving with honor'.

    Paki pretty much loathes the US, especially our drones ( a whole national party is now formed because of droning). and is blocking the Kyber Pass, for supply lines
    Sure they hate the US (yet want to live there) but they hate the Indians as well. India, working with other democracies, could contain Pakistan quite easily if they put a mind to it, and just took them out of the picture, much like what happened in the ME. Do that once or twice and they'll come to their senses. In fact the entire country might advance as a consequence.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    The position of the the United States in accordance to a terrorist has always been no negotiations. I see no reason why this should be different.
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The position of the the United States in accordance to a terrorist has always been no negotiations. I see no reason why this should be different.
    It depends on what those negotiations involved. If it involves financial payoffs, then no, but if it involves the idea of dropping a drone on their personal homes than that is another thing.

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