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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    He's an American citizen and it's a life at stake. We should do whatever we reasonably can to get him out alive. We've paid ransoms before we can do it again.
    if we could do it quietly, yes. We don't negotaite with terrorists, except when we do. The terms are to close Gitmo.
    Even if we did so, it couldn't be seen as a response to free this man.
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    So much for working with Pakistan to help stabilze Afganistan. Think we hit N. Wazir again today with a drone, got some "foreign militants".

    Pakistan has it's own internal problems with fundamentalism, and their own Taliban.
    Just get out of the region, partnering with AfPak is parntnering with the devil, and no good can come from this.

    This week's clashes in North Waziristan occurred less than one week after another jihadist group that operates in North Waziristan, the Ansarul Mujahideen, killed four Pakistani soldiers in an IED attack in the village Spinwam.

    For years, the Pakistani military has promised the West that it would launch an offensive in North Waziristan to clear the tribal agency of the Taliban and al Qaeda, however it has failed to do so. Groups such as the Haqqani Network and Hafiz Gul Bahadar's Taliban faction, operate in North Waziristan, and are considered "good Taliban" by Pakistan's military and intelligence establishment as they do not openly support jihad against the state. But the Haqqanis and Bahadar fight in Afghanistan, and shelter and support al Qaeda, the Movement of the Taliban in Pakistan, and a host of terror groups that attack the Pakistani state and promote international jihad.
    Read more: Pakistani military, Taliban clash in North Waziristan after suicide attack - The Long War Journal
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    In that case, what we need to do is pick the friendliest faction, help that faction consolidate its power over the others, and then stick with it. Simply throwing money at the country is simply an embarrassment and does very little to advance our interests. I personally favor strengthening our ties with India and making our support for Pakistan's civilian government secondary

    It's not just that the Pakistani government cannot deal with the terrorists, it's that it actively supports them. Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence funds, shelters, and arms the Afghan Taliban while guzzling on the billions of dollars that we provide in aid each year. The Taliban would not be as much of an existential threat today if Pakistan didn't consider it a useful tool for controlling Afghanistan. Our "friends" in Islamabad are always prepared to dominate Afghanistan through shadier means if we decide to call it quits.
    Absolutely. dead nails on point! India has western ideals of making money, before religious extremism.
    Work with India as much as possible, forget the den of vipers that is Pakistan.
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    In that case, what we need to do is pick the friendliest faction, help that faction consolidate its power over the others, and then stick with it. Simply throwing money at the country is simply an embarrassment and does very little to advance our interests. I personally favor strengthening our ties with India and making our support for Pakistan's civilian government secondar
    In a perfect world type scenario I would be in full agreement with you, but as long as we are pursuing interests in the region with a focus in Afghanistan we are stuck with them. For better or worst

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    I feel sorry for the guy but we have to realize there are countries out there that we have no business going to. you put your head in the lions mouth then you pray the lion isnt hungry. then there is the that guy who went to NK and was arrested and forced to read some type of confession,does he realize we are still at war with NK??he could have been arrested in put in POW camp.just like you wouldnt walk into a bad neighborhood at 2:00 am there are just some countries you need to stay out.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Then you create a viable business model. The Russians figured out the proper kind of response to this sort of thing decades ago.
    Auditoriums full of the bodies of your children and opera houses turned into mausoleums? Hostage taking and kidnapping is still commonplace in Russia, their response to it has been rather poor. I think ours is superior.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do that and Americans will be kidnapped all over the world. And here.
    We've been doing it for decades as have other countries. It doesn't seem have a discernible impact one way or the other.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Auditoriums full of the bodies of your children and opera houses turned into mausoleums? Hostage taking and kidnapping is still commonplace in Russia, their response to it has been rather poor. I think ours is superior.
    Inside Russia - and their actions in Chechnya were not driven by a response to kidnapping. You are conflating unlike issues.

    How many problems have they had with Hezbollah lately? How are Russian-flagged vessels doing with Somali Pirates lately?

    You don't start negotiations with militant groups from a position of seeking mutually acceptable terms. That's a tactic you use on civilized peoples. You start instead from the position of credible deterrent.
    Last edited by cpwill; 12-26-13 at 09:59 PM.
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Did anyone actually read the link? The guy wasn't vacationing there, he was contracted by and working with the US government. In whatever way, I hope someone is working for his release.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    hope he's not holding his breath. His O'ness would not rescue his own ambassador, why should he give a damn about this guy?

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