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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well of course, and, one joins the military by choice, accepts an ambassadorship by choice. It's not as though this guy decided Pakistan was a keen place to take holiday.
    he is not a government employee, he signed a waiver going over there as all contractors do. Greed drove him to go now it may cost him his life, again his choice.

    any more ridiculous strawmen you want to offer up?

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    So we have a guy that accepts assignment to work on a project for the US in Pakistan that he understands comes with risks, but expects that in the event that he falls in a crack, the US will pull him out. And you guys say we should turn our back on him. Aren't you the same guys that justify all US war making?

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    he is not a government employee, he signed a waiver going over there as all contractors do. Greed drove him to go now it may cost him his life, again his choice.

    any more ridiculous strawmen you want to offer up?
    A waiver that if he found himself in trouble, he accepted that the US wouldn't help him out!

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    A waiver that if he found himself in trouble, he accepted that the US wouldn't help him out!
    It is there I am sure, he assumed all risk, that is why the jobs pay so well. If there was no risk, everyone woud do it

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    It is there I am sure, he assumed all risk, that is why the jobs pay so well. If there was no risk, everyone woud do it
    What is your deal dude. I'm not disputing risk involved. Personally, I wouldn't travel anywhere near the near, far or Middle East for work or holiday, but that's just me. Anyone working on government business, especially in risky parts of the world has the expectation of help from their government if they fall into trouble. To insist otherwise is obsured.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What is your deal dude. I'm not disputing risk involved. Personally, I wouldn't travel anywhere near the near, far or Middle East for work or holiday, but that's just me. Anyone working on government business, especially in risky parts of the world has the expectation of help from their government if they fall into trouble. To insist otherwise is obsured.
    Absolutely false, that is why they care called "contractors" for reduced liability. Expect it all you want but it should not happen

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    No, it's not absolutely false, even a tourist in trouble expects his countries embassy is going to help him, much less someone working on a US project.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it's not absolutely false, even a tourist in trouble expects his countries embassy is going to help him, much less someone working on a US project.
    Which is why I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't have these embassies to begin with, nor should we allow them in our country. There is no need for them.

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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Which is why I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't have these embassies to begin with, nor should we allow them in our country. There is no need for them.
    I disagree Tig, I just don't see where total isolationism would help anyone in the world....Of the truly isolationist countries in the world, tell us which one is even nearly as advanced as global alliance countries?
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    Re: American kidnapped in Pakistan begs Obama to negotiate with al Qaeda for his rele

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I disagree Tig, I just don't see where total isolationism would help anyone in the world....Of the truly isolationist countries in the world, tell us which one is even nearly as advanced as global alliance countries?
    I don't believe I've ever claimed being "advanced" is the proper measure of a society. In fact I've claimed the exact opposite.... that Traditionalism is the proper measure of a society.

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