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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, it does

    If it didn't, atheists wouldn't get so upset by things like plaques with the Ten Commandments on govt property
    There is symbolism which is action for the sake of action and then there is something like principle, like the principle of atheism (which should be done wisely, not like with the cross from the monument issue).
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Considering he died in 1954, I rather doubt there was any direct family surviving. Certainly his parents were dead, he had an older brother that is certainly dead, which direct family members were left to request such a pardon anyhow? Instead of pardoning people who were wronged under stupid laws, like Turing and Galileo by the Catholics, I'd be much happier having them come out and admit they were wrong all along and their policies at the time were simply absurd and the harm should never have been done in the first place.
    We build monuments to holocaust victims, war memorials, statues you name it. Symbolism matters to people and in this case, the pardon does concede all that. He is now officially innocent.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    How the hell does one merely "repeal" castration????

    I am absolutely horrified that the British government deliberately mutilated a citizen for the "sin" of being a homosexual. Outrageous!
    Not only that, but one of its most important citizens of 20th century.

    Here's the other reason the pardon's a good thing: many yesterday weren't aware of this outrage or how deplorably gay people were treated by the "greatest generation."
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    We build monuments to holocaust victims, war memorials, statues you name it. Symbolism matters to people and in this case, the pardon does concede all that. He is now officially innocent.
    No he isn't. He was absolutely and without doubt guilty of breaking the laws in existence at the time. Pardoning him doesn't change that. It isn't an acknowledgement that the laws were fundamentally wrong, only that the government is no longer interested in prosecuting him for breaking them.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Castrated and driven to suicide for the effort. Well not really so much for being a brilliant soldier, but because gay is icky.
    That was the law back then, disgusting as it was that was the law. Not sure why people are surprised by this given the fact it was 60-70- years ago and tolerance wasn't exactly a priority.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No he isn't. He was absolutely and without doubt guilty of breaking the laws in existence at the time. Pardoning him doesn't change that. It isn't an acknowledgement that the laws were fundamentally wrong, only that the government is no longer interested in prosecuting him for breaking them.
    The government had already apologized. Also like i said, the pardon, being symbolic, has made others aware, at least a couple in this thread even, that this persecution took place. In fact, it happened to thousands of Brits. That alone makes the pardon worthwhile.

    And yes, a pardon can be (and is, in this case) a retroactive declaration of innocence/persecution. That's the entire point of this. Other times, it's as you say, merely letting someone out of prison before the sentence is over.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He was actually, physically castrated? Just for being gay? In Britain?


    Astonishing. Appalling also.
    Yea. I thought they were way more tolerant with a pleasant rainbow filled history, where we Americans are demons wrought be a demon filled past...???
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