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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    It's a more symbolic way of doing everything you just said and honoring someone who was treated abhorrently in life. To some it's pointless. To others (especially his descendants, i would imagine), it matters.
    Symbolism doesn't change reality, sorry. Besides, Alan Turing didn't have any children, thus no descendants.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Symbolism doesn't change reality, sorry. Besides, Alan Turing didn't have any children, thus no descendants.
    Yeah...i meant his surviving family. That's typically one way these pardons are given is the family requests it. Given there probably is none left, the govt blew that by waiting so long i guess.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

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    Yeah...i meant his surviving family. That's typically one way these pardons are given is the family requests it. Given there probably is none left, the govt blew that by waiting so long i guess.
    Considering he died in 1954, I rather doubt there was any direct family surviving. Certainly his parents were dead, he had an older brother that is certainly dead, which direct family members were left to request such a pardon anyhow? Instead of pardoning people who were wronged under stupid laws, like Turing and Galileo by the Catholics, I'd be much happier having them come out and admit they were wrong all along and their policies at the time were simply absurd and the harm should never have been done in the first place.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    The British government appologised several years ago while that grumpy scottish guy was still primeminister.

    Weird how the legal process into pardoning him took so long.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    How the hell does one merely "repeal" castration????

    I am absolutely horrified that the British government deliberately mutilated a citizen for the "sin" of being a homosexual. Outrageous!

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's nothing of the sort. A win for decency would have been not to do it in the first place. They were wholly indecent and waiting until long after the guy is dead to apologize for something they never should have done in the first place is pretty damn hollow.
    While the pardon clearly does Turing little good, it is nonetheless important to state in an official manner that his treatment was barbaric and that it no longer represents our values moving forward. Apologizing after the fact is better than refusing to acknowledge that the act didn't happen, wasn't relevant or wasn't wrong.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Very sad. May he RIP and I hope, wherever he is, he knows that the injustice done upon him has been noted as a wrongdoing.
    I believe he is here with us, through his influence on the world. And the important thing, I'm sure he'd agree, is that we know.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Symbolism doesn't change reality, sorry.
    Actually, it does

    If it didn't, atheists wouldn't get so upset by things like plaques with the Ten Commandments on govt property
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, it does

    If it didn't, atheists wouldn't get so upset by things like plaques with the Ten Commandments on govt property
    Questioning the seperation of religion and state is not like rehabilitating a man who was wronged by his government.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Questioning the seperation of religion and state is not like rehabilitating a man who was wronged by his government.
    Having a statue of the ten commandments doesn't change the govt at all. It's completely symbolic.

    And I think you may have missed my point that symbolic actions do matter.
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