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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    -- And this is how they repay him...............................
    Nearly all Western countries had anti-homosexuality laws, many gay men and women who served in war were later humiliated or cast out for breaking sodomy laws. What happened to Turing was a disgrace but I don't think many other countries would have treated him better.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    He helped win the war he wasn't solely responsible for the fall of the Nazis as you previously suggested, just a another small part in a huge war effort from all the allied countries.
    Castrated and driven to suicide for the effort. Well not really so much for being a brilliant soldier, but because gay is icky.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    I suppose this was to send some sort of "I'm sorry" message to whomever, but it rings hollow to me. Better an apology than a pardon. Pardon?? Really?

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I suppose this was to send some sort of "I'm sorry" message to whomever, but it rings hollow to me. Better an apology than a pardon. Pardon?? Really?
    Correct. A pardon is just forgiving a crime, it doesn't mean they admit error. If they wanted to make a real statement, it would have been an apology to all whom were subjugated to such horrendous practice.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Haha yeah, the "gay agenda" to not be forced into chemical castration, leading to suicide. That is such a scumbag view that it's not worth seriously responding to.

    Great for Turing, justice at last, but there's thousands of other brits who should be pardoned too.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Correct. A pardon is just forgiving a crime, it doesn't mean they admit error. If they wanted to make a real statement, it would have been an apology to all whom were subjugated to such horrendous practice.
    He received an apology in 2009

    Thousands of people have come together to demand justice for Alan Turing and recognition of the appalling way he was treated. While Turing was dealt with under the law of the time, and we can't put the clock back, his treatment was of course utterly unfair, and I am pleased to have the chance to say how deeply sorry I and we all are for what happened to him. Alan and the many thousands of other gay men who were convicted, as he was convicted, under homophobic laws, were treated terribly. Over the years, millions more lived in fear in conviction. I am proud that those days are gone and that in the past 12 years this Government has done so much to make life fairer and more equal for our LGBT community. This recognition of Alan's status as one of Britain's most famous victims of homophobia is another step towards equality, and long overdue.
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    So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely thanks to Alan's work, I am very proud to say: we're sorry. You deserved so much better.
    Gordon Brown: I'm proud to say sorry to a real war hero - Telegraph

    Apparently he was denied a pardon before

    A posthumous pardon was not considered appropriate as Alan Turing was properly convicted of what at the time was a criminal offence. He would have known that his offence was against the law and that he would be prosecuted.
    It is tragic that Alan Turing was convicted of an offence which now seems both cruel and absurd-particularly poignant given his outstanding contribution to the war effort. However, the law at the time required a prosecution and, as such, long-standing policy has been to accept that such convictions took place and, rather than trying to alter the historical context and to put right what cannot be put right, ensure instead that we never again return to those times.
    Government rejects a pardon for computer genius Alan Turing | Science | theguardian.com
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    He was actually, physically castrated? Just for being gay? In Britain?


    Astonishing. Appalling also.
    Yeah, the history of "conversion therapy" goes back to some really beyond the pale torture, like lobotomy, castration, electric shock, forced sex with prostitutes. Some of that comes from the same medical organizations we all love and trust today.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's nothing of the sort. A win for decency would have been not to do it in the first place. They were wholly indecent and waiting until long after the guy is dead to apologize for something they never should have done in the first place is pretty damn hollow.
    It's stupid how some fear it will lead to disrespect of law in general, by admitting that the law was unjust from the start. From their view, Turing knowingly broke a law, and pardons are almost given unless the individual was proven innocent, is why it took so long. It's a win for decency because of just how rare pardons of this sort are.

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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

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    It's stupid how some fear it will lead to disrespect of law in general, by admitting that the law was unjust from the start. From their view, Turing knowingly broke a law, and pardons are almost given unless the individual was proven innocent, is why it took so long. It's a win for decency because of just how rare pardons of this sort are.
    Then they shouldn't have pardoned him, they shouldn't have even mentioned him, they should have just admitted how stupid British society and government was at the time and continues to be on this subject, if such is the case. A posthumous pardon is pointless.
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    Re: Alan Turing, code-breaker castrated for homosexuality, receives royal pardon

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then they shouldn't have pardoned him, they shouldn't have even mentioned him, they should have just admitted how stupid British society and government was at the time and continues to be on this subject, if such is the case. A posthumous pardon is pointless.
    It's a more symbolic way of doing everything you just said and honoring someone who was treated abhorrently in life. To some it's pointless. To others (especially his descendants, i would imagine), it matters.

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