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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So let me get this straight. Susan said they issued Viagra to Gaddafi's forces in order to make them hardened terrorists?
    cute.
    Qaddafi would not allow AQ to roam, like they do now.

    Al-Qaeda considers all the people to be infidels,” Mr. Gaddafi declared in a speech weeks before NATO began its military intervention in Libya. “They deem all people their enemies. They know nothing but killing.”

    The Islamists would pour in from Afghanistan, Algeria, and Egypt, he warned, saying, “These are beasts with turbans.”
    Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi warned jihadists would conquer Africa | National Post
    “The irony is, he was right,” said Christian Leuprecht, Royal Military College and Queen’s University political studies associate professor.
    Gaddafi actually said, if you want to destroy [Libya], the result would be the taking over by the jihadists
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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    cute.
    Qaddafi would not allow AQ to roam, like they do now.
    Qaddafi tortured everyone, even his family's personal servants. Do you really support mass murdering totalitarian dictators?

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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    His O'ness was not going to let a well planned, well executed attack, that happened on his watch, actually be reported as a well planned well executed attack that happened on his watch just before the election. His political standing was in his mind far more valuable than the lives of the brave men lost.

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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Qaddafi tortured everyone, even his family's personal servants. Do you really support mass murdering totalitarian dictators?
    what is with your "this or that" take on events? Every other word is "totalitarian".

    Qaddafi was a dictator, he wasn't a nie guy who believed in due process - but looking at him thru western eyes doesn't help judge whether the US led overthrow was a good idea.

    One has to look at the choices available. Qaddafi also provided homes , and free eductaion for those -mostly in the cities - and to his supporters.
    The oil wealth was in the name of the people of Libya.

    What I'm saying is there were 2 choices -we could have worked with him as this pic shows:
    obama-gaddafi-handshake-091709-lg.jpg

    this from the G-8 meeting where Qaddafi was a member in good standing.

    Or we could have done what we did. Not to minimize the prisons, or the alleged tortues ( which i ama sure mostly happened).
    But to pick the best course. The world is imperfect. A sound foreign policy recognizes this, and doesn't make decisons by emotional means, or of FUBAR
    old one of "human rights"

    we need to do what is the best choice, and any fool could have seen assassinatiing Qadafi was a bad idea. Just look at the results.
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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Hey, if you put me in charge and let me kill and torture whomever I want without any judicial system or sense of justice at all, I could wipe out terrorism in the US.

    I think it's funny that the same people who cry and moan about the TSA will support mass murdering dictators in the fight against terrorism. What a ****ing joke. Does anyone take that BS seriously? Yeah, we can't take our shoes off to board a plane but those Libyans, well... they should put up with a 40 year dictator. WTF
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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hey, if you put me in charge and let me kill and torture whomever I want without any judicial system or sense of justice at all, I could wipe out terrorism in the US.

    I think it's funny that the same people who cry and moan about the TSA will support mass murdering dictators in the fight against terrorism. What a ****ing joke. Does anyone take that BS seriously? Yeah, we can't take our shoes off to board a plane but those Libyans, well... they should put up with a 40 year dictator. WTF
    how about letting the Libyans decided there own fate. Do you know what constituted the NTC ( the pick up truck guys from Bengazi?).
    a bunch of Salafists, and the leader was a former "renounced AQ guy.
    So we basically facilitated a terrorist influenced group, into over-throwing Qaddafi whom was vehemently anti AQ.
    Does that make ANY sense? No.

    If we had stuck to the "no fly", If we had allowed that war to take it's own course, none of this woulfd have happened.

    The NTC picked up no popular support on their advances - the US/NATO had to bomb a path for their advances. What kind of "populist revolution" is that? It isn't.
    Not to mention the NATO bombing of Misrata..how does a humanitarian driven war encompass bombing a city??

    It was a foolish endeavor, driven by Rice & Hillary Clinton, for there own twisted agenda, and Obama went right along.
    Lookat Libya today -look at it under Qqaddafi, which is the best situation?
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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    how about letting the Libyans decided there own fate.
    They asked for help. The UN agreed. The US took action only as a result of treaty obligations.

    If we had stuck to the "no fly", If we had allowed that war to take it's own course, none of this woulfd have happened.
    The US had nothing to do with it after leading the no-fly implementation. Do you think it was wrong to assist the UN in stopping a dictator from bombing his own people, at the request of the UN?



    In the US, the NSA collects meta data and people freak out. The same people expect Libyans to live under a 40 year dictator who is attacking them with their own military.

    Get some perspective.

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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    They asked for help. The UN agreed. The US took action only as a result of treaty obligations.



    The US had nothing to do with it after leading the no-fly implementation. Do you think it was wrong to assist the UN in stopping a dictator from bombing his own people, at the request of the UN?



    In the US, the NSA collects meta data and people freak out. The same people expect Libyans to live under a 40 year dictator who is attacking them with their own military.

    Get some perspective.
    O gawd. not the treaty obligations argument again. the NATO treaty only mandates US participation if another NATO state is attacked.
    The US led the propaganda machine at the UN - it was Susan Rice's so called "Viagra rape" crap .
    Qaddafi had a wide swath of popular support -not so much in east Africa, not as much outside the cities, but look at the Green Square demonstrations.
    Qaddafi rode around in a car without bullet proofing. He renounced terrorism after Reagan damn near killed him in a bombin raid in the 80's.

    The shelling of the NTC was a response by a duly recognized head of state to thwart an attemped revoltuion.
    Gotta learn to let these civil war play out by themselves - then the truer realization of the country 's desires, come into play.

    The US jumped the gun, and facilitated a terrorist state.
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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    O gawd. not the treaty obligations argument again.
    You do realize that this argument was made by Obama and accepted by congress, right? Please don't pretend that a random internet person is more well versed in the various treaties involved.

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    Re: Susan Rice defends Benghazi interviews on 60 Minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You do realize that this argument was made by Obama and accepted by congress, right? Please don't pretend that a random internet person is more well versed in the various treaties involved.
    of course not. "do the google"
    North Atlantic Treaty - Wikisource, the free online library
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