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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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vesper said:
In the First Amendment Kobie the very first thing mention is the freedom of religion. That means you have the right to practice a faith or no faith. When a person practices a faith it becomes an expression of who they are. Expression is a form of speech which is mentioned as another right after freedom of religion. To force a person to provide a service that violates an expression of who they are is unconstitutional.
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I never said anti-discrimination laws were constitutional or not; what I am saying is that it's a different argument than the Duck Dynasty "free speech" one.

Freedom of religion is not freedom to discriminate as a business, according to the law. And you still have yet to tell me what organization has been silenced from speaking out against homosexuality by GLAAD and the ACLU.

vesper said:
Activists who are nothing more than bullies that promote the violation of another's rights to promote their own agenda need to be stopped.
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So, in other words, you want to take away GLAAD's free speech rights?

vesper said:
And as soon as Harry Reid is no longer running the Senate and a Republican who takes the Constitution seriously takes up residency on Pennsylvania Avenue, the rights of all will be protected.
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Yeah, because when I think of a party that protects people's rights, I think of the Republicans. :roll:

I don't think either party has a monopoly on defending rights.
 
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Kobie said:
I never said anti-discrimination laws were constitutional or not; what I am saying is that it's a different argument than the Duck Dynasty "free speech" one.

Freedom of religion is not freedom to discriminate as a business, according to the law. And you still have yet to tell me what organization has been silenced from speaking out against homosexuality by GLAAD and the ACLU.



So, in other words, you want to take away GLAAD's free speech rights?



Yeah, because when I think of a party that protects people's rights, I think of the Republicans. :roll:

I don't think either party has a monopoly on defending rights.
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GLAAD this week got it's arse handed to them on a plate. The masses set them straight. However, they are still contemplating going after the sponsors of the program because they are seething in their defeat. So who knows what GLAAD will do next week. I have lost respect for both parties. My measuring stick is the Constitution. There is a group within the Republican party that doesn't treat the Constitution as a living breathing document that can be changed at any whim. They see it as a road map to good governance. They have my support. The left has allowed the fringe to take over their party. They have neutered the Blue Dogs. Hardly a yelp out of them these days.
 
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vesper said:
GLAAD this week got it's arse handed to them on a plate. The masses set them straight. However, they are still contemplating going after the sponsors of the program because they are seething in their defeat. So who knows what GLAAD will do next week. I have lost respect for both parties. My measuring stick is the Constitution. There is a group within the Republican party that don't treat the Constitution as a living breathing document that can be changed at any whim. They see it as a road map to good governance. They have my support. The left has allowed the fringe to take over their party. They have neutered the Blue Dogs. Hardly a yelp out of them these days.
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What "defeat"?

Duck Dynasty News: Phil Robertson ‘Reinstated’ By A&E For Season 5?

“I have been receiving messages stating that Phil has been reinstated. Let me clarify, Phil has not been put back on the show. What happened, is that A&E said they will not be removing him from the already filmed episodes for next season. Keep sharing and fighting! We’re almost at 1.8 million!”
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He hasn't been reinstated.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
The reverse is also true. Being exposed to the "big picture" makes understanding local customs, traditions and attitudes harder. Taking a man from a primitive culture and dropping him in a modern city he would likely survive much longer than taking a man from a big city and dropping him in the wilderness. ;)
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Maybe. I know a few areas that might make that a contest. ;)
 
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VanceMack said:
His words were measured perfectly. Only someone dead set on being hurt and insulted would have found otherwise. They were VERY clear. Very precise. HE is not the one that took "with my own eyes", "in my own experience" and made it into "all blacks were happy!" That was people looking for insult.
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I'm not sure that's true. Humans are born to make connections. It's what we do. "My experience" is only mentioned to address a larger point. It's how communication works.
 
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Kobie said:
What "defeat"?

Duck Dynasty News: Phil Robertson ‘Reinstated’ By A&E For Season 5?





He hasn't been reinstated.
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Kobie GLAAD demanded in their statement to A&E and the sponsors reevaluate their relationship with Phil because their claim was that his views "flew in the face" of true Christians and Louisianans. Yet what every "Christian" or person who has read the Bible knows what he said was paraphrased what can be found in Scripture. And the people of Louisiana in many communities including its Governor have done nothing but support Phil Robertson. So yes it was a huge defeat for GLAAD because everything they claimed flew back in their face to bite them.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I'm not sure that's true. Humans are born to make connections. It's what we do. "My experience" is only mentioned to address a larger point. It's how communication works.
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“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

No....Im sorry. You CANNOT "accidentally" mistake those words. And if you are being honest you will admit that most people that made their comments about that paragraph did so without ever once actually READING it.
 
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Chopping cotton is a great equalizer. My father did just that...in rural Louisiana. And after he had completed his training and opened his own office in 1958, it was integrated. So I don't take too seriously either Phil Robertson's remarks or the eagerness to cast him as a racist.
 
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VanceMack said:
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

No....Im sorry. You CANNOT "accidentally" mistake those words. And if you are being honest you will admit that most people that made their comments about that paragraph did so without ever once actually READING it.
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I actually think the opposite us true.
 
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calamity said:
The only reason they are not in the same playing field is because you choose to not put eating shellfish and gay sex in the same ballpark. The Bible makes no such distinction. But feel free to prove your point.
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Their not being on the same playing filed has nothing to do with me.

You seeing them as on the same playing filed when they are not, has everything to do with you and your own biases.
 
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VanceMack said:
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

No....Im sorry. You CANNOT "accidentally" mistake those words. And if you are being honest you will admit that most people that made their comments about that paragraph did so without ever once actually READING it.
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Btw thus us the context:

Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana.

It was better before civil rights. That's the obvious connection.
 
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Boo Radley said:
It was better before civil rights. That's the obvious connection.
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No, his personal experience makes no such connection.
 
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danarhea said:
'Ya know, I think both the Liberals and Conservatives on this board are posting asshattishness here. Let me explain.....

1) OK, Phil Robertson said some outlandish things and A&E suspended him. Conservatives rushed to his defense, and Liberals are smacking him.

2) Flash back to 2002, when Bill Maher had a show on ABC called "Politically Incorrect". He was fired for saying that the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center had guts. That was also outlandish. in this case, Liberals rushed to defend him, while Conservatives smacked him.

Just pointing out that there is a little hypocrisy on both sides of the political divide. Let us not forget that both ABC and A&E are not the government. They are privately owned companies, and their stockholders don't want the kind of controversy people like this generate. In the case of ABC, they wanted political humor, and in the case of A&E, they just wanted a good reality TV show. Neither of these cases is about trampling of first Amendment rights, so please - Both sides - Quit your bull**** astroturf dramas, and let's get down to discussing some real issues. Homeless veterans would be a good start. Do you care more about them, or is it the corporate pablum puke from the mass media that turns you on? I mean, with all the real issues at stake, which include the excesses of both the Obama and Bush administrations, you really want to make this bull**** an issue? Gimme a ****ing break!!
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So go and start a thread on it dana. Instead of trying derail this one...This is a popular controversy in the news, sorry you don't like that....But, just like with a tv show you don't like you change the channel until you find one you like, if you don't like the thread, see yourself out....simple.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Btw thus us the context:

Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana.

It was better before civil rights. That's the obvious connection.
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Perhaps he meant better in a "they knew their place" kind of way.:(
 
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I don't think so. He placed himself alongside black coworkers in the field. The literal cotton field.
 
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Excon said:
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Their not being on the same playing filed has nothing to do with me.

You seeing them as on the same playing filed when they are not, has everything to do with you and your own biases.
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Speaking of how some Christians like Phil selectively choose their poutrage...

Actually, if you look at all the Quotes from Jesus, he never mentions Homosexuality, but he sure does talk a lot about loving your neighbors: friends, enemies and sinners alike; and of helping the poor. I wonder why Phil and so few Christians here on DP focus on that part of following Christ? Maybe you guys are actually rejecting Christ and instead are all following Satan.

It wouldn't surprise me. Christ is love. What Phil rambled on about was not love; it was hate. I see a lot of hate directed at Gays from supposed Christians here in DP.
 
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nota bene said:
I don't think so. He placed himself alongside black coworkers in the field. The literal cotton field.
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Forget Phil for a second. Do you think Blacks were better off drinking from their own water fountains, being banned from white-only toilets, hospitals and made to sit in the upper balcony at the theater? We're they better off not being allowed to vote?

Now think of what Phil said. You still think he's a great guy---all Christian like?
 
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calamity said:
Speaking of how some Christians like Phil selectively choose their poutrage...

Actually, if you look at all the Quotes from Jesus, he never mentions Homosexuality, but he sure does talk a lot about loving your neighbors: friends, enemies and sinners alike; and of helping the poor. I wonder why Phil and so few Christians here on DP focus on that part of following Christ? Maybe you guys are actually rejecting Christ and instead are all following Satan.

It wouldn't surprise me. Christ is love. What Phil rambled on about was not love; it was hate. I see a lot of hate directed at Gays from supposed Christians here in DP.
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Quote all of what he said.
 
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calamity said:
Speaking of how some Christians like Phil selectively choose their poutrage...

Actually, if you look at all the Quotes from Jesus, he never mentions Homosexuality, but he sure does talk a lot about loving your neighbors: friends, enemies and sinners alike; and of helping the poor. I wonder why Phil and so few Christians here on DP focus on that part of following Christ? Maybe you guys are actually rejecting Christ and instead are all following Satan.

It wouldn't surprise me. Christ is love. What Phil rambled on about was not love; it was hate. I see a lot of hate directed at Gays from supposed Christians here in DP.
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The Bible is the word of God. Jesus was the earthly image of God. If the Bible says it, God says it and therefore Jesus said it.
 
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calamity said:
Forget Phil for a second. Do you think Blacks were better off drinking from their own water fountains, being banned from white-only toilets, hospitals and made to sit in the upper balcony at the theater? We're they better off not being allowed to vote?

Now think of what Phil said. You still think he's a great guy---all Christian like?
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Where Phil grew up, there were no theaters with balconies. Out in the country, there were no water fointains, or public toilets and the nearest resurant was too far to walk to and people--white and black--didn't have money to spare to eat at a resturant, anyway. It's probable that Robertson didn't see any of that.
 
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apdst said:
Where Phil grew up, there were no theaters with balconies. Out in the country, there were no water fointains, or public toilets and the nearest resurant was too far to walk to and people--white and black--didn't have money to spare to eat at a resturant, anyway. It's probable that Robertson didn't see any of that.
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So. Phil is ignorant.

I agree.
 
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apdst said:
The Bible is the word of God. Jesus was the earthly image of God. If the Bible says it, God says it and therefore Jesus said it.
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I don't think so. Jesus came and brought a completely different message. That's why the Old Testament is separate from the New.
 
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calamity said:
I don't think so. Jesus came and brought a completely different message. That's why the Old Testament is separate from the New.
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......and especially considering how He railed against the Pharisees like He did.

IMO, when He said "Believe in ME and you shall be saved", He didn't mean "follow anybody BUT me", which is what these modern day Pharisees are doing. They follow the preacher man telling them what to believe. They follow Paul. They follow the Pharisees. They follow the hatred in their own hearts which requires them to persecute a small group of people in order to feel better about themselves. They don't follow Jesus, and in fact, they have so little respect for Him that they think He was too incompetent to know what was important.

If the persecution of gay people was so important, Jesus would have said so. To think otherwise shows such incredible arrogance and is so dismissive of the one they claim to follow as to be the work of a source quite different than the one they think they follow.

Open up the N.T. and read the red letters. That's all they need to do, and only when people start following HIM can they say they are His representative.
 
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calamity said:
So. Phil is ignorant.

I agree.
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I'm saying his perspective may be different than your's. Did you grow up in the south, or are you going by what you've been told?
 
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