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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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vesper said:
Yes an employer has the right to issue ramifications for your off duty behavior but in all fairness those ramifications should not be the result of pressure from outside groups. A&E knew exactly what they were getting in Phil and the family.

No Phil Robertson didn't lose his Freedom of Speech because GLAAD was stopped dead in their tracts from trying to achieve just that by pressuring A&E and the programs sponsors to dump him in retaliation for his remarks which amounts to threatening everyone else what can happen to you if you dare cross the GLAAD. The majority of disgusted citizens over the actions of GLAAD/ and A&E' response to them, used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH and gave GLAAD the worst setback they have received in years. A real victory. These same citizens using their FREEDOM of SPEECH brought A&E to the realization that the one they originally feared repercussions from (GLAAD) was the least of their worries and found out that when it came to loss of revenue they had chose the wrong side. When you have bullying organizations like GLAAD, companies tend to be squeamish in fear of upsetting the "political correct" point of view. But because of Freedom of Speech of many citizens, Robertson and Duck Dynasty are still on at A&E, Cracker Barrel a sponsor of the show bailed under pressure of GLAAD but learned like A&E they chose the wrong side when it comes to revenue and quickly changed their mind to continue to support Duck Dynasty. It's a good day for Free Speech.
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A&E hasn't reinstated Robertson.

It's not a "good day for free speech," since free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this situation, at all. It was never infringed; it was never in jeopardy from anyone.
 
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vesper said:
Yes an employer has the right to issue ramifications for your off duty behavior but in all fairness those ramifications should not be the result of pressure from outside groups. A&E knew exactly what they were getting in Phil and the family.

No Phil Robertson didn't lose his Freedom of Speech because GLAAD was stopped dead in their tracts from trying to achieve just that by pressuring A&E and the programs sponsors to dump him in retaliation for his remarks which amounts to threatening everyone else what can happen to you if you dare cross the GLAAD. The majority of disgusted citizens over the actions of GLAAD/ and A&E's response to them, used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH and gave GLAAD the worst setback they have received in years. A real victory. These same citizens using their FREEDOM of SPEECH brought A&E to the realization that the one they originally feared repercussions from (GLAAD) was the least of their worries and found out that when it came to loss of revenue they had chose the wrong side. When you have bullying organizations like GLAAD, companies tend to be squeamish in fear of upsetting the "political correct" point of view. But because of Freedom of Speech of many citizens, Robertson and Duck Dynasty are still on at A&E, Cracker Barrel a sponsor of the show bailed under pressure of GLAAD but learned like A&E they chose the wrong side when it comes to revenue and quickly changed their mind to continue to support Duck Dynasty. It's a good day for Free Speech.
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Cracker Barrel?:lamo

Seriously though....this has been a tried and true tactic used by many. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but businesses make business decisions and consumers use this to their advantage.
 
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Kobie said:
A&E hasn't reinstated Robertson.

It's not a "good day for free speech," since free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this situation, at all. It was never infringed; it was never in jeopardy from anyone.
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After the outcry of citizens toward A&E for their decision to suspend Robertson, they decided to go ahead and run the new season starting January 15th of next year and Phil Robertson will be starring in them. The last contract A&E made with Robertson he made it perfectly clear that he would not tolerate any editing of the series over things in relation to faith in God and guns. If they did he would walk. A&E agreed on Robertson's terms. There was a member of A & E present during Robertson's interview with GQ.
Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson and family lash back at A&E | Mail Online
There wasn't any outrage by A&E at that time only after the gay organization GLAAD started pressuring A&E and sponsors of the show.
Yes it has to do with Free Speech/expression because it is groups like GLAAD that tries to silence anyone who they think is "homophobic" by equating religious beliefs to defamation. It didn't work for them this time. The sponsors did not abandon the show, even though they used their bullying techniques to try and get them to and A&E is still planning on running the next season with Phil Robertson among the cast. yes it is a victory for Free Speech because the bullies that try and take it from others didn't win this time.
 
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A&E is so serious about this suspension that they ran a Duck Dynasty marathon today.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

vesper said:
After the outcry of citizens toward A&E for their decision to suspend Robertson, they decided to go ahead and run the new season starting January 15th of next year and Phil Robertson will be starring in them. The last contract A&E made with Robertson he made it perfectly clear that he would not tolerate any editing of the series over things in relation to faith in God and guns. If they did he would walk. A&E agreed on Robertson's terms. There was a member of A & E present during Robertson's interview with GQ.
Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson and family lash back at A&E | Mail Online
There wasn't any outrage by A&E at that time only after the gay organization GLAAD started pressuring A&E and sponsors of the show.
Yes it has to do with Free Speech/expression because it is groups like GLAAD that tries to silence anyone who they think is "homophobic" by equating religious beliefs to defamation. It didn't work for them this time. The sponsors did not abandon the show, even though they used their bullying techniques to try and get them to and A&E is still planning on running the next season with Phil Robertson among the cast. yes it is a victory for Free Speech because the bullies that try and take it from others didn't win this time.
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They never weren't going to air the new episodes. Those have already been shot and in the can for a while.

Groups like GLAAD are not capable of infringing anyone's free speech. They can exercise their own, which they did.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism; nor is it freedom from consequence.
 
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year2late said:
Cracker Barrel?:lamo

Seriously though....this has been a tried and true tactic used by many. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but businesses make business decisions and consumers use this to their advantage.
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Does it matter who the sponsors of the program are? No. The fact is they were being pressured by GLAAD to dump their support for the program. What part of that don't you understand?
 
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jmotivator said:
A&E is so serious about this suspension that they ran a Duck Dynasty marathon today.
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A&E was never serious about a suspension, they just invented a controversy to get free publicity for their #1 show. It worked perfectly.
 
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Kobie said:
They never weren't going to air the new episodes. Those have already been shot and in the can for a while.

Groups like GLAAD are not capable of infringing anyone's free speech. They can exercise their own, which they did.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism; nor is it freedom from consequence.
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Tell that to numerous faith based groups across this country that have had "dealings" with GLAAD because of their traditional views of marriage. Catholic, Protestant makes no difference and currently GLAAD is going after the American Family Association that promotes traditional marriage and pro-life values.
 
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vesper said:
Tell that to numerous faith based groups across this country that have had "dealings" with GLAAD because of their traditional views of marriage. Catholic, Protestant makes no difference and currently GLAAD is going after the American Family Association that promotes traditional marriage and pro-life values.
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Do you understand what "freedom of speech" actually means? Hint: It does not mean that groups like GLAAD aren't allowed to criticize you.
 
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Kobie said:
Do you understand what "freedom of speech" actually means? Hint: It does not mean that groups like GLAAD aren't allowed to criticize you.
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Yes but do you understand that groups like GLAAD have had success in filing lawsuits against organizations that they deem "homophobic" due to religious beliefs and have had success in silencing them because the judge based his ruling not on constitutional free speech but personal "feelings"? Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!
 
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vesper said:
Yes but do you understand that groups like GLAAD have had success in filing lawsuits against organizations that they deem "homophobic" due to religious beliefs and have had success in silencing them because the judge based his ruling not on constitutional free speech but personal "feelings"? Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!
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What groups have been silenced by GLAAD lawsuits? Links, please.
 
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danarhea said:
No way. What I posted IS related to the thread, in that we are discussing BS, while more important things that actually effect us are being shoved down our throats. Take the NDAA, for instance. While we were debating a bull**** issue like Duck Dynasty, the Senate passed that piece of crap. How many people knew about it? Not many. They were too damn busy debating Duck Dynasty. So what I posted is very germane to the discussion.

To make my response short and to the point, no, I won't shut up. Live with it.
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That's fine. You want to "waste time" on this thread, go right ahead.
 
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vesper said:
Does it matter who the sponsors of the program are? No. The fact is they were being pressured by GLAAD to dump their support for the program. What part of that don't you understand?
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Of course the sponsors matter. What part of big business and capitalism don't YOU understand.:doh:lamo

Not saying any of it is right or wrong, it is just the way it is.....and what it is not -----a First Amendment issue.
 
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danarhea said:
No way. What I posted IS related to the thread, in that we are discussing BS, while more important things that actually effect us are being shoved down our throats. Take the NDAA, for instance. While we were debating a bull**** issue like Duck Dynasty, the Senate passed that piece of crap. How many people knew about it? Not many. They were too damn busy debating Duck Dynasty. So what I posted is very germane to the discussion.

To make my response short and to the point, no, I won't shut up. Live with it.
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An NDAA gets passed every year.
 
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Kobie said:
What groups have been silenced by GLAAD lawsuits? Links, please.
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It works like this, GLAAD which they say stands for Gay, Lesbian Association Against Defamation but what it really amounts to is Gay, Lesbian Association Against Difference of opinions.

GLAAD launched a petition drive last year urging “CNN to Make a New Year's Resolution: Keep Away From the Anti-Gay Industry.” Yes, said GLAAD, “It's time for outlets to finally drop several hundred pounds of unhealthy weight, which they've been carrying around for years, in the form of anti-gay activists." That followed with a hit list of some very prominent faith based leaders in the country where GLAAD was portraying them as being homophobic for their religious views which amounts to them as defamation even though none of these leaders personally attacked a gay person. And often more than not live their lives loving their neighbors while still adhering to their teachings that homosexuality is a sin . You see GLAAD is the bully that forces the issue of claiming religious beliefs equate to defamation and the ACLU follows with the lawsuits. Do your own search on the irreverent relationship between the ACLU and GLAAD against faith based organizations and individuals. That is why companies like A&E get scared when GLAAD starts their bullsh!t because if it grows legs, the ACLU will be there to drag them to court. Same thing with sponsors. And all of this has a way of silencing free speech.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Certainly, which is why he should measure his comments better. Our tiny worlds are often too narrow to guide us much on the bigger picture.
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His words were measured perfectly. Only someone dead set on being hurt and insulted would have found otherwise. They were VERY clear. Very precise. HE is not the one that took "with my own eyes", "in my own experience" and made it into "all blacks were happy!" That was people looking for insult.
 
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vesper said:
It works like this, GLAAD which they say stands for Gay, Lesbian Association Against Defamation but what it really amounts to is Gay, Lesbian Association Against Difference of opinions.

GLAAD launched a petition drive last year urging “CNN to Make a New Year's Resolution: Keep Away From the Anti-Gay Industry.” Yes, said GLAAD, “It's time for outlets to finally drop several hundred pounds of unhealthy weight, which they've been carrying around for years, in the form of anti-gay activists." That followed with a hit list of some very prominent faith based leaders in the country where GLAAD was portraying them as being homophobic for their religious views even though none of these leaders personally attacked a gay person. And often more than not live their lives loving their neighbors while still adhering to their teachings that homosexuality is a sin . You see GLAAD is the bully that forces the issue of claiming religious beliefs equate to defamation and the ACLU follows with the lawsuits. Do your own search on the irreverent relationship between the ACLU and GLAAD against faith based organizations and individuals. That is why companies like A&E get scared when GLAAD starts their bullsh!t because if it grows legs, the ACLU will be there to drag them to court. Same thing with sponsors. And all of this has a way of silencing free speech.
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You didn't answer my question. You claimed GLAAD has sued groups into silence. Name one. Name one that the ACLU has sued into silence.
 
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Kobie said:
An NDAA gets passed every year.
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Yup, a gravy train for thieves who want to rip off the US government. Our military has a lot of hardware sitting idle because they didn't want it, but Congress sent the stuff to them anyways. Why? Because arms manufacturers want to keep making the stuff anyways because it puts lots of money in their shareholders' pockets. It is thievery, but here we are talking about someone who got fired from a BS TV show, while Congress passes another ndaa that we don't care to scrutinize. Looks like our priorities are way out of whack.
 
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Kobie said:
You didn't answer my question. You claimed GLAAD has sued groups into silence. Name one. Name one that the ACLU has sued into silence.
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Yes I did, GLAAD is the bully who uses the media to push their so called defamation agenda against people of faith, then the ACLU comes in and knocks them out of the park. That is the way the game is being played.

You want examples? It was the ACLU that went after the baker in Colorado and found a judge that would be agreeable to their case. It was the ACLU that went after the photographer in New Mexico that refused his services due to his Christian beliefs and no coincidence a judge willing there also willing to rule in favor with the ACLU.

And like most bullies, the ACLU picked a target they could beat, Barronelle Stutzman, a 70-year-old woman who runs a flower shop in Washington. She too refused her services for a gay marriage and found herself drug into court. The ACLU has over 300 million dollars to support its legal endeavors. Its victims they target hardly have that kind of cash around to pay for a legal team to represent them. Homosexual activists who do not speak for all gays, are not looking to live and let live. They are out to force their way on everyone else at any cost. Even shamelessly going after a 70-year-old woman who was only following her faith. So when GLAAD's bullying backfired on them this time in regard to Robertson, I was elated. And I look forward to the day when the legislation already proposed in the House to protect people from being railroaded by activist bullies because of their faith will be protected.
 
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re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

vesper said:
Yes I did, GLAAD is the bully who uses the media to push their so called defamation agenda against people of faith, then the ACLU comes in and knocks them out of the park. That is the way the game is being played.

You want examples? It was the ACLU that went after the baker in Colorado and found a judge that would be agreeable to their case. It was the ACLU that went after the photographer in New Mexico that refused his services due to his Christian beliefs and no coincidence a judge willing there also willing to rule in favor with the ACLU.

And like most bullies, the ACLU picked a target they could beat, Barronelle Stutzman, a 70-year-old woman who runs a flower shop in Washington. She too refused her services for a gay marriage and found herself drug into court. The ACLU has over 300 million dollars to support its legal endeavors. Its victims they target hardly have that kind of cash around to pay for a legal team to represent them. Homosexual activists who do not speak for all gays, are not looking to live and let live. They are out to force their way on everyone else at any cost. Even shamelessly going after a 70-year-old woman who was only following her faith. So when GLAAD's bullying backfired on them this time in regard to Robertson, I was elated. And I look forward to the day when the legislation already proposed in the House to protect people from being railroaded by activist bullies because of their faith will be protected.
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Those are not groups speaking out against homosexuality; those are businesses violating anti-discrimination laws. The baker, the photographer and the florist you cited are perfectly free to speak their minds; they are not free to openly discriminate against the public. What you're now doing here is what we call "moving the goalposts."
 
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Kobie said:
they are not free to openly discriminate against the public
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They are not allowed to privately discriminate because of bad law, yes.
 
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scatt said:
They are not allowed to privately discriminate because of bad law, yes.
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And that's something that can certainly be debated; however, it's a different issue than the one originally brought up in regards to the GLAAD/ACLU Lawsuit Machine.
 
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Kobie said:
Those are not groups speaking out against homosexuality; those are businesses violating anti-discrimination laws. The baker, the photographer and the florist you cited are perfectly free to speak their minds; they are not free to openly discriminate against the public. What you're now doing here is what we call "moving the goalposts."
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No I am not moving the goalposts because all of it is related on the same playing field. Discrimination laws are being redefined from what they were originally intended and is creating bad law that violates the rights of others. When the rights of one are seen more important that the rights of others then there is inequality in the law and that has to be rectified.
 
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vesper said:
No I am not moving the goalposts because all of it is related on the same playing field. Discrimination laws are being redefined from what they were originally intended and is creating bad law that violates the rights of others. When the rights of one are seen more important that the rights of others then there is inequality in the law and that has to be rectified.
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But discrimination laws have absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Robertson or any other group speaking out against homosexuality. There is a difference between exercising one's right to free speech, and denying service.
 
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Kobie said:
But discrimination laws have absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Robertson or any other group speaking out against homosexuality. There is a difference between exercising one's right to free speech, and denying service.
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In the First Amendment Kobie the very first thing mention is the freedom of religion. That means you have the right to practice a faith or no faith. When a person practices a faith it becomes an expression of who they are. Expression is a form of speech which is mentioned as another right after freedom of religion. To force a person to provide a service that violates an expression of who they are is unconstitutional. Activists who are nothing more than bullies that promote the violation of another's rights to promote their own agenda need to be stopped. And as soon as Harry Reid is no longer running the Senate and a Republican who takes the Constitution seriously takes up residency on Pennsylvania Avenue, the rights of all will be protected.
 
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