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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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Yes, they were happier being discriminated against. And you see nothing insulting about that. Incredible.

I grew up in Georgia btw.
I grew up in Jacksonville and spent most summers in Macon County. How would you describe race relations in Macon County during the 70's?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

:naughty
No.
What is absurd is your reply.
You have already been given the information explaining that the two are not even on the same playing field.
Yet here you are again trying to equate them as being similar proscriptions when they are not. :doh
The only reason they are not in the same playing field is because you choose to not put eating shellfish and gay sex in the same ballpark. The Bible makes no such distinction. But feel free to prove your point.
 
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The only reason they are not in the same playing field is because you choose to not put eating shellfish and gay sex in the same ballpark. The Bible makes no such distinction. But feel free to prove your point.

Romans 14:1-23

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."
 
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You got a point? We've been waiting for one from you the entire thread.

Yeah. The Bible says a bunch of crazy crap. Why do you and the other Christians ignore most of the stuff in the Old Testament but zero in on gay sex? I find that to be a wee bit too selective.

Either live the bible or don't. But if you live it, be prepared to murder misbehaving children and wives--not to mention treat your slaves kindly. Until then, most of you all are hypocrites, which is exactly how Jesus described the public Bible thumpers.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Yeah. The Bible says a bunch of crazy crap. Why do you and the other Christians ignore most of the stuff in the Old Testament but zero in on gay sex? I find that to be a wee bit too selective.

Either live the bible or don't. But if you live it, be prepared to murder misbehaving children and wives--not to mention treat your slaves kindly. Until then, most of you all are hypocrites, which is exactly how Jesus described the public Bible thumpers.

Maybe this will help with your bible study:

What Does the Bible Say About the Old Testament Law?

What did Jesus teach about the Old Testament? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Only your selective interpretation, without logic of facts.

You have "facts" in your religion. Do provide them. This I gotta see.
 
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Maybe, but I don't hide behind Christ when I do it. I freely admit that I'm an asshole to religious zealots.

Taking another tack. How's these apples? Lets assume a homosexual believes all your Biblical nonsense. Is it not evil, actually doing violence onto him, to badger him over something intrinsic in him, a part of his being which he cannot change, saying it will send him to Hell? And, before you respond, that same Bible which casts homosexual acts as sin will also condemn you to hell for eating shellfish and a host of other things. But, yet, your arrogance lets you excuse violating those protocols while giving the Gays no quarter.

It's ridiculous. And, that is why I say Phil is a moron hiding behind his religion.

Who, that you disagree with, aren't you an asshole to?
 
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The meek shall inherit the Earth but,I seriously doubt they will be gay sinners.

What gives you the right to call anyone "sinners"? Taking that authority is mighty arrogant of you. And, you wonder why the rest of us loathe the "Bible Thumpers".

You have no right to call other people sinners. None.
 
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Good citations T.....If calamity doesn't understand this part of your first link....

"The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, animal sacrifices, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.
Christians still look to the Old Testament scripture for moral and spiritual guidance (2 Timothy 3:16-17). But when there seems to be a conflict between Old Testament laws and New Testament principles, we must follow the New Testament because it represents the most recent and most perfect revelation from God (Hebrews 8:13, 2 Corinthians 3:1-18, Galatians 2:15-20)."

Then I don't think that there is much reasoning with her period.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

You're suggesting he should have lied?

I think the issue could have been avoided if the interviewer hadn't set him up. He HAD to know how Robertsin was going to answer the question and if he did, he shouldn't have asked the question.

The Libbos might want to temper their outrage. The Duck Dynasty vote has already gotten one United States congressman elected. It would suck for the Libbos if every single member of theDuck block voted against a Democrat, because of the way the Libbos treated Phil Robertson.

Making a big deal out of this is a bad business decision for A&E and a bad political move for the Libbos.

I'm gonna say "team duck" was gonna vote against democrats ANYWAY.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Who, that you disagree with, aren't you an asshole to?
Hey. Lighten up. Takes a lot of practice to become such an asshole.
 
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You have "facts" in your religion. Do provide them. This I gotta see.

I suggest reading the Bible yourself.

Common sense, reasoning and understanding are required.

Leave your selective interpretation at the door.
 
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Warn? I bet he could school most at A&E on the 1A.

Not much better than you can apparently.

No law has been passed making it illegal for duck boy to say what he did.

Can I go on tv and call my Christian boss an idiot for his beliefs without consequences from said boss? Hell no I can't. And he won't be in violation of the 1st when he cans my ass.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

Not much better than you can apparently.

No law has been passed making it illegal for duck boy to say what he did.

Can I go on tv and call my Christian boss an idiot for his beliefs without consequences from said boss? Hell no I can't. And he won't be in violation of the 1st when he cans my ass.

So if you made a comment outside of work about how stupid you apparently think Christianity and all Christians are and it got to your employer and he fired you for it, that would be completely fine with you?
 
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Romans 14:1-23

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."
And, you can't bring yourselves to interpret this teaching to also include those who have different sexual proclivities? After all, "God" made the homosexual desire and want relations with people of the same sex. Are you all saying God screwed up? Or maybe your God is a big meanie who puts such desires in the heads of millions and then severely punishes any who relent to temptation.

I doubt it.

But, what does seem clear to me is that He is saying: don't judge those who are different than you.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

So if you made a comment outside of work about how stupid you apparently think Christianity and all Christians are and it got to your employer and he fired you for it, that would be completely fine with you?

I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't be a violation of my rights in any way.

Actions have consequences. Some are social or economic.

Think of it this way: you own a business frequented by gays.

Are you violating your employees' rights by firing him for yelling "Faggot!" in the face of every one he serves?
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

I suggest reading the Bible yourself.

Common sense, reasoning and understanding are required.

Leave your selective interpretation at the door.

Face it, the bible is not fact, it is faith. Just like all the other religions out there and that's not a bad thing. You believe it and that's what is important, but it isn't fact. If it were fact, it would be undisputable and unfortunately it isn't undisputable.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't be a violation of my rights in any way.

Actions have consequences. Some are social or economic.

Think of it this way: you own a business frequented by gays.

Are you violating your employees' rights by firing him for yelling "Faggot!" in the face of every one he serves?

There you're talking about doing something while at work. I'm talking about comments made not during work hours. Say your employer knows you post here, doesn't like what you've said and fires you for it. Still ok with it?
 
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I saw a few minutes of Duck Dynasty recently, and OMG… it was stupid. I don't get the show. They are just white, southern, rednecks. I guess we are supposed to laugh at how stupid and childless those guys are or something… :shrug:

I just know that they are blown out of proportion. I am tired of seeing Duck Dynasty chi pets, towels, t shirts, Christmas albums, etc.

If this family makes the decision to quit, because one of them got suspended, then that is their decision.

I made a decision not to watch Glee or the Kardashians (sp?). Everyone is welcome to change the channel and watch what is to their liking.
Who knows why the Duck show is a success, but they must be doing something right, or else they wouldn't have the ratings. Perhaps its a nice change to the surgically enhanced faces in the hollywood yuppie world. Fact is, we don't have to watch, but ratings reflect what people enjoy.
 
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And, you can't bring yourselves to interpret this teaching to also include those who have different sexual proclivities? After all, "God" made the homosexual desire and want relations with people of the same sex. Are you all saying God screwed up? Or maybe your God is a big meanie who puts such desires in the heads of millions and then severely punishes any who relent to temptation.

I doubt it.

But, what does seem clear to me is that He is saying: don't judge those who are different than you.

You're absolutely right, I don't judge those that sin....That isn't for me to do, and Phil didn't do that either. Ever heard the phrase, 'reject the sin, not the sinner'?

This whole flap is because of the intolerance of people that don't understand that simple point. They (including you) are conflating 'rejecting the sin' with denouncing the sinners. It is a contortion that is twisting your argument into a pretzel as we speak. I mean, myself and others have already shown you that your claims about what the bible says on a host of things from what to eat, all the way to adultery is indeed a sin, but that there are differences in how one approaches the Old, from the New testaments...That you choose to ignore this reality in belief, and practice is telling about just how you want to twist God's word to use against those that believe in it. IMHO, it is a despicable thing to do, and is equally spoken out against in the bible. So, it is not for me to judge you, but I can pray for you.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

I wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't be a violation of my rights in any way.

Actions have consequences. Some are social or economic.

Think of it this way: you own a business frequented by gays.

Are you violating your employees' rights by firing him for yelling "Faggot!" in the face of every one he serves?

Oh and regarding that whole "consequences don't infringe on free speech" argument, I'm lazy and I'm just going to repost what I posted somewhere else.


By that rationale, every place in the world has free speech since it's always about consequences. Go ahead and mock Muhammed in Iran because, short of cutting everyone tongue out, they can't prevent it and afterall, free speech is not hindered because anything that would happen to that person afterwards is just consequences of that speech.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

I suggest reading the Bible yourself.

Common sense, reasoning and understanding are required.

Leave your selective interpretation at the door.
Common sense and the Bible do not Jibe. It starts with the silly notion of a flood and all the animals being saved by a man with a boat. It moves on to describing a birth that was conceived free of intercourse; proceeds to a martyr raised from the dead, and ends with the most ridiculous science fiction I've read since writing my own in highschool.
 
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There you're talking about doing something while at work. I'm talking about comments made not during work hours. Say your employer knows you post here, doesn't like what you've said and fires you for it. Still ok with it?

Wouldn't like it, its happening to folks now. Facebook and all that.

Employers get to check my credit score. And anything else in the public record.

Still not a violation of the first.
 
re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

And it makes sense to you that the hosts of a reality show aren't that much interested in airing the reality of the show?

And to you, Merry Christmas.

Dunno, Mac...

In the show biz world not a lot makes sense other than, by design of course, it's all about making money.

There's an unpredictable type of relationship between networks, product and services sponsors, etc. and the viewers. They usually have a love/indifference relationship.

When one or more of these three faction's feelings get hurt by the other (or shamed by the other)...then the nasty tabloid games begin and the fray will drag out just long enough to steal the zeal of the controversial program.

A&E will survive without Ducks...
 
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