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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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jmotivator said:
Except that he was comparing all sexual sins to bestiality. I think he is probably right in that there is a connection, but whether you think that is wrong is another story...

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He was not talking about sexual sins. he was talking about sin in general.

Please go back and read the quote, the complete quote.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
I haven't gone to new threads yet - is anyone defending this woman's right to free speech as vigorously as the Duck Hunter?

Ex-PR exec Justine Sacco apologizes for AIDS in Africa tweet - CNN.com

Are Palin and Fox lining up behind her? is she getting a FB page?

Her tweet was totally offensive but hey - freedom of speech!

Or is it different if you aren't a white male christian?

(My position - she can say it, but she isn't free from the consequences - ie getting fired)
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It is different because nobody knows who she is.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I can pretty much guarantee that Phil Robertson didnt sign a contract that muzzled his religious beliefs.
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I can pretty much guarantee that he did sign a contract that said if he said anything that might put A&E or their sponsors in a bad light they can be suspended or dropped.
 
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shrubnose said:
You need to ask them that question, but I'm going to guess that what has happened was not one of the things that they thought would happen.
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They (A&E) may have been giving the jackass more IQ credit than he deserved. Those other rednecks who hunt alligators and noodle catfish and stuff never badmouthed whole groups of viewers (well, yankees maybe, but they kinda like the abuse).
 
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Mason66 said:
He was not talking about sexual sins. he was talking about sin in general.

Please go back and read the quote, the complete quote.
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Religious fundamentalism of any stripe doesn't garner much sympathy these days.
 
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calamity said:
I think they are too...even on a woman. BUt, I'm lucky. I don't have to deal with being Gay, and somehow finding a way to live in harmony with people who think like Phil Robertson.
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If you were gay, why would you care what anybody says?

Most gays don't watch the show nor did the know who he was, so why would they care what he said?

I am Jewish. Do I care what anybody says about Jews?

Does it affect my life in any way? No it doesn't.
 
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Lovebug said:
What seems to be missing from this discussion, an omission not by atheists but especially by Christians, is the fact that Phil acted out of love, love for his fellow beings. "He has a funny way of showing it", you say?
As a Christian, you are called to preach to Gospel, to speak the truth, to tell it to those who are still lost, so that they too will have eternal life.
So his dilemma is this. Should he speak for the lost, to the lost, preaching repentance and biblical truth, or should he just look the other way, like so many do, and let them go straight to hell?
Which is more loving, more compassionate?
A good comparison for those who don't believe is this.
If you see a kid by the side of the road, ready to cross, and you know the kid will be run over, would you stop the kid and guide it to a crosswalk so that the little one will reach the other side, or would you just let the kid go?
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To reinforce what you said, this was also part of Robertsons interview that nobody on the left wants to agknowledge.

"“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job,” Robertson told GQ. “We just love ‘em, give ‘em the good news about Jesus – whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ‘em out later.”

Can somebody please tell me how this could be seen as intolerance?
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
He is not a priest, or a pastor, he is on a reality TV show, acting like a redneck hillbilly. He is not proselytizing when he is on that show, nor do I expect in his other business's. He is not dedicated to spreading the word of god.
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What constitutes a preacher or a pastor?

there are many videos on Youtube of this man preaching to groups of people.
 
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shrubnose said:
There are a lot of duck hunters in the USA, I lived in the Mississippi River Delta for a number of years but I never got into duck hunting, I did do a lot of fishing and caught a lot of fish.

I never watched the Duck Dynasty program (I watch very little TV.).

It will be interesting to see if Duck Dynasty survives the current kerfuffle and stays on TV.
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If they do not continue it will be their choice and not a decision from A&E.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Find a copy, and I will lay money down.
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let's see what you said:
CRUE CAB said:
I can pretty much guarantee that Phil Robertson didnt sign a contract that muzzled his religious beliefs.
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you can guarantee it you posted
so, let's see it
show us the contract ... the one you insist you can guarantee doesn't have any language allowing A&E to do what it did
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Telling a grown man to "watch your mouth" will usually get yours slapped. They pray at the end of the show,
they are from the south, they are rednecks.
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 Just what did A&E think was going to happen?
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You can call those people rednecks if you want, but I lived and worked in Southeast Louisiana for a good bit of my life and I would call them goat ropers since they're from Northwest Louisiana.
 
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Mason66 said:
What constitutes a preacher or a pastor?

there are many videos on Youtube of this man preaching to groups of people.
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Sounds like a preacher to me.

If you preach to groups of people, you're a preacher, eh?
 
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mac said:
What did he say should happen to all those sinners, out of curiosity? Are they to be stoned in the streets? Shunned? Exiled? Drawn and quartered?
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It wasn't what should happen to them....it was basically referring to gays in the same category as terrorists and bestiality. Just the typical right-wing garbage that usually refers to gays in the same sentence as child abusers as well. Nothing but typical right-wing bigotry.....
 
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disneydude said:
It wasn't what should happen to them....it was basically referring to gays in the same category as terrorists and bestiality. Just the typical right-wing garbage that usually refers to gays in the same sentence as child abusers as well. Nothing but typical right-wing bigotry.....
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Listing sins isn't necessarily equating them. Lying is a sin, for example, as is murder, but listing them together as sins does not mean they are equal sins. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp.

More importantly. why couldn't AE just put out a disclaimer that this mans views do not represent their network and let it go at that? Not sure why the left is so intent upon adopting this fascist intolerance of any view not in line with their own. So the guy doesn't like homos and thinks what they do is sin. If that bothers you, don't watch the show. People should be allowed to be stupid and have every right to be racist or wrong headed in their views. Demanding that anyone who doesn't tow the political PC line be drawn and quartered is just fascist style intolerance.
 
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Mason66 said:
Does "the right" just start complaining about gays spontaneously or do they do it when provoked like in this case?
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Provoked?
 
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calamity said:
Provoked?
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Yes GLADD threatened A&E, they suspended Phil. That was being provoked.
 
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Mason66 said:
If you were gay, why would you care what anybody says?
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Why do Christians care what anybody says about them?

Most gays don't watch the show nor did the know who he was, so why would they care what he said?

I am Jewish. Do I care what anybody says about Jews?
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That didn't work out so well in 1930's Europe. Now did it?

Does it affect my life in any way? No it doesn't.
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Uh, yes it does. If a bunch of armed rednecks ran around calling Jews Jesus killers, you'd start to feel intimidated. Trust me.
 
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Mason66 said:
Yes GLADD threatened A&E, they suspended Phil. That was being provoked.
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Threatened?
 
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Mason66 said:
It is different because nobody knows who she is.
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So the people making the outcry about the duck guy only care about "freedom of speech" when the person is famous? Yeah, sounds about right. Being conservative also helps, looks like....
 
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paddymcdougall said:
So the people making the outcry about the duck guy only care about "freedom of speech" when the person is famous? Yeah, sounds about right. Being conservative also helps, looks like....
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The point is that nobody knows who she is or the situation in order to get outraged.

A lot of people watch this show and feel they know the guy and that is why they are speaking out.

How can somebody get outraged about something they know nothing about?
 
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Mason66 said:
The point is that nobody knows who she is or the situation in order to get outraged.

A lot of people watch this show and feel they know the guy and that is why they are speaking out.

How can somebody get outraged about something they know nothing about?
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It's all over the news media. I can't imagine there is someone left who hasn't heard about her.
 
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The blow back is only going to hurt A&E not that there is anything else to watch on that channel anyway. DD is the number 1 rated reality show on TV.
anywhere from 10-14m people watch that show. last year DD did 440m dollars in business.

What A&E should have done is what all TV stations do issue a simple context that most TV shows use on these types of the things.

The Feinged outrage in this country is getting sickening. people need to put on their big boy pants and grow up. we are becoming a sissified nation where heaven forbid someone gets offended.

cry me a river build me a bridge and get over it.
 
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Mason66 said:
To reinforce what you said, this was also part of Robertsons interview that nobody on the left wants to agknowledge.

"“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job,” Robertson told GQ. “We just love ‘em, give ‘em the good news about Jesus – whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ‘em out later.”

Can somebody please tell me how this could be seen as intolerance?
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It's not.

All of the uproar is manufactured, specifically by glaad.
 
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pbrauer said:
I have been wondering if A&E knew of his controversal views...

By Scott CollinsDecember 20, 2013, 4:55 p.m.

Anyone looking at the "Duck Dynasty" uproar may wonder why A&E didn't warn Phil Robertson about the dangers of talking too much to reporters.

But it now looks like they did.

Robertson, the long-bearded patriarch of the clan of Louisiana duck-call merchants, is on "hiatus" from filming episodes of the No. 1-rated cable reality show after giving a GQ magazine interview where he made anti-gay remarks and questioned the need for the civil-rights movement. GLAAD and theNAACP, among others, condemned the comments. But thousands of fans - and even Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal - have rushed to his defense, touching off the latest skirmish in the national culture war. Late Thursday, the family said it might not want to continue the show without Phil.

The scandal has turned into the kind of tempest network executives feared all along. A&E knew of Robertson's controversial views - expounded in videotaped sermons and elsewhere - before the show premiered in spring 2012, and warned him not to overshare on hot-button topics such as gay rights and race relations, according to a producer familiar with the situation. Phil and other family members also probably signed contracts containing "morals clauses" in which they promised to, among other things, avoid anything that would embarrass or bring shame to A&E or the brand. Such clauses are standard in the entertainment and sports industries.

More at: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much - latimes.com

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He has a different opinion from other people oh dear God no!

That's ignorant. Me and blanket want to play.



If A&E had a contract and Phil the duck man broke it then I don't see the problem here with suspending the filming of the show. On the other hand it seems like such a waste for A&E over one man expressing his opinion. Some people think differently about things then other people.
 
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