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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh yes they have. They have punished him for what he said. That is censorship.
    It is "censorship," but not of "free speech."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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    Wow, now the Duck Dynasty is a RW voting block. Great.
    All that hatin y'all do might come back ti bite you in the ass.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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    If I went to work and told a customer he was a dumb ass, when I got fired would that be infringing on my 1A rights?
    Apples and oranges. He wasn't at work when he said what he said.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It is "censorship," but not of "free speech."
    You've non-sequitered yourself.

    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/censorship
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    If my local newspaper was doing an interview about my company and I said our customers were dumb asses?
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Apples and oranges. He wasn't at work when he said what he said.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I thought about this one question for a bit and just had a good laugh and now wish to answer it.

    There are quite a few who believe in the following- "Diplomacy is saying 'nice doggy' while reaching for a rock." The saying is attributed to several folks, Ben Franklin is one. is ol' Ben telling us to lie????

    I has always thought my mom had it about right- if ya can't say something nice then shut the hell up. (okie woman, she didn't sugar coat her diplomacy)

    Now if Phil had kept is comments focused on himself and his earlier days of being a sinning little monkey, if he had just said it is for God to judge and because He gave us freewill each of us must decide our own path, some of us seek His Word and some don't....

    I'd admire the hairy dude.

    So my answer is he shouldn't lie, he forgot in a bit of hubris.

    He should remember THE WORD in more than just the parts that admonish... Judge not and all that sort of thing...
    Your mom taught you to lie? Figures!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    a) why wouldn't the interviewer ask these kinds of questions? To spare Robertson from having to answer? that's not being a good interviewer

    b) From reading the GQ article, it sounds like Robertson just rambles on all day, stream-of-consciousness; don't know that many questions had to be asked. The interviewer said Robertson had no problem if you interrupted his stream of talk and diverted it, but he pretty much expounded on his various themes all the time. I hope you read the full article.

    c) Robertson is free to say what he wants to say. A&E is free to suspend him for that. I don't remember Palin leaping to Bashir's defense when Bashir made not-so-nice comments about Palin. What is different about this case? Oh yeah, Robertson isn't a liberal; conservatives apparently have "more" free speech rights than liberals, according to Fox news and such....

    d) I watched the show a couple times and didn't see the allure. However, I have nothing against the Robertson family; yea for them for creating a show that so many want to watch. But now that they are media figures, they have to live by the informal rules of the media - or if they don't want to, their business may suffer. Or may not.

    While you blame this all on liberals, do you yourself really agree with his comments? you don't find them at all offensive, even if you don't think they merit suspension? is there no conservative out there who can say "He can say what he wants, but I found his comments offensive too?"
    Bad interviewer?

    The rest of your post is bigotted drivel, but do I agree that the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin? Sure, I agree that the Bible says that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You've non-sequitered yourself.

    https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/censorship
    "Free speech," in terms of the First Amendment, is not freedom from repercussions -- only from government sanction. Yes, A&E "censored" him, so to speak, which they have every right to do.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Apples and oranges. He wasn't at work when he said what he said.
    It doesn't matter. He doesn't stop being a representative of A&E when he steps off the set.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Oh yes they have. They have punished him for what he said. That is censorship.
    Did the government penalize him, censure him, fine him, imprison him, or in anyway impede his freedom of expression? No, the government did not. Thus it is not a Free Speech issue. You realize that the constitutional protection for the freedom of expression is a restriction on the power of government.

    This is the text of the First Amendment:

    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    That is a restriction on the power of government. It doesn't say that you can express yourself in anyway without fear of any repercussions from anyone. It simply says that the government does not have the power to restrict your freedom of expression. The courts have allowed for reasonable exemptions such as laws prohibiting screaming fire in a theater.

    Freedom of the Press works the same way. The government does not have the power to censor the press. The courts have since allowed for reasonable exemptions related to National Security. However, just because the government cannot censor the press, that does not mean that a reporter cannot be fired for writing something the paper they work for prohibits them from doing. Similarly, though the government cannot censor you, your employer can certainly fire you for something you say. For example, you are free to say the N word. The government will not penalize you or censor you in anyway for doing so. However, if you use the N word at work or at a company function, you are probably going to get fired. Would that mean your freedom of speech was violated? Of course not. The same is true in this case.
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