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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    they are not free to openly discriminate against the public
    They are not allowed to privately discriminate because of bad law, yes.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They are not allowed to privately discriminate because of bad law, yes.
    And that's something that can certainly be debated; however, it's a different issue than the one originally brought up in regards to the GLAAD/ACLU Lawsuit Machine.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Those are not groups speaking out against homosexuality; those are businesses violating anti-discrimination laws. The baker, the photographer and the florist you cited are perfectly free to speak their minds; they are not free to openly discriminate against the public. What you're now doing here is what we call "moving the goalposts."
    No I am not moving the goalposts because all of it is related on the same playing field. Discrimination laws are being redefined from what they were originally intended and is creating bad law that violates the rights of others. When the rights of one are seen more important that the rights of others then there is inequality in the law and that has to be rectified.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No I am not moving the goalposts because all of it is related on the same playing field. Discrimination laws are being redefined from what they were originally intended and is creating bad law that violates the rights of others. When the rights of one are seen more important that the rights of others then there is inequality in the law and that has to be rectified.
    But discrimination laws have absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Robertson or any other group speaking out against homosexuality. There is a difference between exercising one's right to free speech, and denying service.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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    But discrimination laws have absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Robertson or any other group speaking out against homosexuality. There is a difference between exercising one's right to free speech, and denying service.
    In the First Amendment Kobie the very first thing mention is the freedom of religion. That means you have the right to practice a faith or no faith. When a person practices a faith it becomes an expression of who they are. Expression is a form of speech which is mentioned as another right after freedom of religion. To force a person to provide a service that violates an expression of who they are is unconstitutional. Activists who are nothing more than bullies that promote the violation of another's rights to promote their own agenda need to be stopped. And as soon as Harry Reid is no longer running the Senate and a Republican who takes the Constitution seriously takes up residency on Pennsylvania Avenue, the rights of all will be protected.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    In the First Amendment Kobie the very first thing mention is the freedom of religion. That means you have the right to practice a faith or no faith. When a person practices a faith it becomes an expression of who they are. Expression is a form of speech which is mentioned as another right after freedom of religion. To force a person to provide a service that violates an expression of who they are is unconstitutional.
    I never said anti-discrimination laws were constitutional or not; what I am saying is that it's a different argument than the Duck Dynasty "free speech" one.

    Freedom of religion is not freedom to discriminate as a business, according to the law. And you still have yet to tell me what organization has been silenced from speaking out against homosexuality by GLAAD and the ACLU.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Activists who are nothing more than bullies that promote the violation of another's rights to promote their own agenda need to be stopped.
    So, in other words, you want to take away GLAAD's free speech rights?

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    And as soon as Harry Reid is no longer running the Senate and a Republican who takes the Constitution seriously takes up residency on Pennsylvania Avenue, the rights of all will be protected.
    Yeah, because when I think of a party that protects people's rights, I think of the Republicans.

    I don't think either party has a monopoly on defending rights.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I never said anti-discrimination laws were constitutional or not; what I am saying is that it's a different argument than the Duck Dynasty "free speech" one.

    Freedom of religion is not freedom to discriminate as a business, according to the law. And you still have yet to tell me what organization has been silenced from speaking out against homosexuality by GLAAD and the ACLU.



    So, in other words, you want to take away GLAAD's free speech rights?



    Yeah, because when I think of a party that protects people's rights, I think of the Republicans.

    I don't think either party has a monopoly on defending rights.
    GLAAD this week got it's arse handed to them on a plate. The masses set them straight. However, they are still contemplating going after the sponsors of the program because they are seething in their defeat. So who knows what GLAAD will do next week. I have lost respect for both parties. My measuring stick is the Constitution. There is a group within the Republican party that doesn't treat the Constitution as a living breathing document that can be changed at any whim. They see it as a road map to good governance. They have my support. The left has allowed the fringe to take over their party. They have neutered the Blue Dogs. Hardly a yelp out of them these days.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    GLAAD this week got it's arse handed to them on a plate. The masses set them straight. However, they are still contemplating going after the sponsors of the program because they are seething in their defeat. So who knows what GLAAD will do next week. I have lost respect for both parties. My measuring stick is the Constitution. There is a group within the Republican party that don't treat the Constitution as a living breathing document that can be changed at any whim. They see it as a road map to good governance. They have my support. The left has allowed the fringe to take over their party. They have neutered the Blue Dogs. Hardly a yelp out of them these days.
    What "defeat"?

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    He hasn't been reinstated.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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    The reverse is also true. Being exposed to the "big picture" makes understanding local customs, traditions and attitudes harder. Taking a man from a primitive culture and dropping him in a modern city he would likely survive much longer than taking a man from a big city and dropping him in the wilderness.
    Maybe. I know a few areas that might make that a contest.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    His words were measured perfectly. Only someone dead set on being hurt and insulted would have found otherwise. They were VERY clear. Very precise. HE is not the one that took "with my own eyes", "in my own experience" and made it into "all blacks were happy!" That was people looking for insult.
    I'm not sure that's true. Humans are born to make connections. It's what we do. "My experience" is only mentioned to address a larger point. It's how communication works.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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