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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes but do you understand that groups like GLAAD have had success in filing lawsuits against organizations that they deem "homophobic" due to religious beliefs and have had success in silencing them because the judge based his ruling not on constitutional free speech but personal "feelings"? Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!
    What groups have been silenced by GLAAD lawsuits? Links, please.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No way. What I posted IS related to the thread, in that we are discussing BS, while more important things that actually effect us are being shoved down our throats. Take the NDAA, for instance. While we were debating a bull**** issue like Duck Dynasty, the Senate passed that piece of crap. How many people knew about it? Not many. They were too damn busy debating Duck Dynasty. So what I posted is very germane to the discussion.

    To make my response short and to the point, no, I won't shut up. Live with it.
    That's fine. You want to "waste time" on this thread, go right ahead.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Does it matter who the sponsors of the program are? No. The fact is they were being pressured by GLAAD to dump their support for the program. What part of that don't you understand?
    Of course the sponsors matter. What part of big business and capitalism don't YOU understand.

    Not saying any of it is right or wrong, it is just the way it is.....and what it is not -----a First Amendment issue.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No way. What I posted IS related to the thread, in that we are discussing BS, while more important things that actually effect us are being shoved down our throats. Take the NDAA, for instance. While we were debating a bull**** issue like Duck Dynasty, the Senate passed that piece of crap. How many people knew about it? Not many. They were too damn busy debating Duck Dynasty. So what I posted is very germane to the discussion.

    To make my response short and to the point, no, I won't shut up. Live with it.
    An NDAA gets passed every year.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What groups have been silenced by GLAAD lawsuits? Links, please.
    It works like this, GLAAD which they say stands for Gay, Lesbian Association Against Defamation but what it really amounts to is Gay, Lesbian Association Against Difference of opinions.

    GLAAD launched a petition drive last year urging “CNN to Make a New Year's Resolution: Keep Away From the Anti-Gay Industry.” Yes, said GLAAD, “It's time for outlets to finally drop several hundred pounds of unhealthy weight, which they've been carrying around for years, in the form of anti-gay activists." That followed with a hit list of some very prominent faith based leaders in the country where GLAAD was portraying them as being homophobic for their religious views which amounts to them as defamation even though none of these leaders personally attacked a gay person. And often more than not live their lives loving their neighbors while still adhering to their teachings that homosexuality is a sin . You see GLAAD is the bully that forces the issue of claiming religious beliefs equate to defamation and the ACLU follows with the lawsuits. Do your own search on the irreverent relationship between the ACLU and GLAAD against faith based organizations and individuals. That is why companies like A&E get scared when GLAAD starts their bullsh!t because if it grows legs, the ACLU will be there to drag them to court. Same thing with sponsors. And all of this has a way of silencing free speech.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Certainly, which is why he should measure his comments better. Our tiny worlds are often too narrow to guide us much on the bigger picture.
    His words were measured perfectly. Only someone dead set on being hurt and insulted would have found otherwise. They were VERY clear. Very precise. HE is not the one that took "with my own eyes", "in my own experience" and made it into "all blacks were happy!" That was people looking for insult.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It works like this, GLAAD which they say stands for Gay, Lesbian Association Against Defamation but what it really amounts to is Gay, Lesbian Association Against Difference of opinions.

    GLAAD launched a petition drive last year urging “CNN to Make a New Year's Resolution: Keep Away From the Anti-Gay Industry.” Yes, said GLAAD, “It's time for outlets to finally drop several hundred pounds of unhealthy weight, which they've been carrying around for years, in the form of anti-gay activists." That followed with a hit list of some very prominent faith based leaders in the country where GLAAD was portraying them as being homophobic for their religious views even though none of these leaders personally attacked a gay person. And often more than not live their lives loving their neighbors while still adhering to their teachings that homosexuality is a sin . You see GLAAD is the bully that forces the issue of claiming religious beliefs equate to defamation and the ACLU follows with the lawsuits. Do your own search on the irreverent relationship between the ACLU and GLAAD against faith based organizations and individuals. That is why companies like A&E get scared when GLAAD starts their bullsh!t because if it grows legs, the ACLU will be there to drag them to court. Same thing with sponsors. And all of this has a way of silencing free speech.
    You didn't answer my question. You claimed GLAAD has sued groups into silence. Name one. Name one that the ACLU has sued into silence.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    An NDAA gets passed every year.
    Yup, a gravy train for thieves who want to rip off the US government. Our military has a lot of hardware sitting idle because they didn't want it, but Congress sent the stuff to them anyways. Why? Because arms manufacturers want to keep making the stuff anyways because it puts lots of money in their shareholders' pockets. It is thievery, but here we are talking about someone who got fired from a BS TV show, while Congress passes another ndaa that we don't care to scrutinize. Looks like our priorities are way out of whack.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You didn't answer my question. You claimed GLAAD has sued groups into silence. Name one. Name one that the ACLU has sued into silence.
    Yes I did, GLAAD is the bully who uses the media to push their so called defamation agenda against people of faith, then the ACLU comes in and knocks them out of the park. That is the way the game is being played.

    You want examples? It was the ACLU that went after the baker in Colorado and found a judge that would be agreeable to their case. It was the ACLU that went after the photographer in New Mexico that refused his services due to his Christian beliefs and no coincidence a judge willing there also willing to rule in favor with the ACLU.

    And like most bullies, the ACLU picked a target they could beat, Barronelle Stutzman, a 70-year-old woman who runs a flower shop in Washington. She too refused her services for a gay marriage and found herself drug into court. The ACLU has over 300 million dollars to support its legal endeavors. Its victims they target hardly have that kind of cash around to pay for a legal team to represent them. Homosexual activists who do not speak for all gays, are not looking to live and let live. They are out to force their way on everyone else at any cost. Even shamelessly going after a 70-year-old woman who was only following her faith. So when GLAAD's bullying backfired on them this time in regard to Robertson, I was elated. And I look forward to the day when the legislation already proposed in the House to protect people from being railroaded by activist bullies because of their faith will be protected.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes I did, GLAAD is the bully who uses the media to push their so called defamation agenda against people of faith, then the ACLU comes in and knocks them out of the park. That is the way the game is being played.

    You want examples? It was the ACLU that went after the baker in Colorado and found a judge that would be agreeable to their case. It was the ACLU that went after the photographer in New Mexico that refused his services due to his Christian beliefs and no coincidence a judge willing there also willing to rule in favor with the ACLU.

    And like most bullies, the ACLU picked a target they could beat, Barronelle Stutzman, a 70-year-old woman who runs a flower shop in Washington. She too refused her services for a gay marriage and found herself drug into court. The ACLU has over 300 million dollars to support its legal endeavors. Its victims they target hardly have that kind of cash around to pay for a legal team to represent them. Homosexual activists who do not speak for all gays, are not looking to live and let live. They are out to force their way on everyone else at any cost. Even shamelessly going after a 70-year-old woman who was only following her faith. So when GLAAD's bullying backfired on them this time in regard to Robertson, I was elated. And I look forward to the day when the legislation already proposed in the House to protect people from being railroaded by activist bullies because of their faith will be protected.
    Those are not groups speaking out against homosexuality; those are businesses violating anti-discrimination laws. The baker, the photographer and the florist you cited are perfectly free to speak their minds; they are not free to openly discriminate against the public. What you're now doing here is what we call "moving the goalposts."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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