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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes an employer has the right to issue ramifications for your off duty behavior but in all fairness those ramifications should not be the result of pressure from outside groups. A&E knew exactly what they were getting in Phil and the family.

    No Phil Robertson didn't lose his Freedom of Speech because GLAAD was stopped dead in their tracts from trying to achieve just that by pressuring A&E and the programs sponsors to dump him in retaliation for his remarks which amounts to threatening everyone else what can happen to you if you dare cross the GLAAD. The majority of disgusted citizens over the actions of GLAAD/ and A&E' response to them, used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH and gave GLAAD the worst setback they have received in years. A real victory. These same citizens using their FREEDOM of SPEECH brought A&E to the realization that the one they originally feared repercussions from (GLAAD) was the least of their worries and found out that when it came to loss of revenue they had chose the wrong side. When you have bullying organizations like GLAAD, companies tend to be squeamish in fear of upsetting the "political correct" point of view. But because of Freedom of Speech of many citizens, Robertson and Duck Dynasty are still on at A&E, Cracker Barrel a sponsor of the show bailed under pressure of GLAAD but learned like A&E they chose the wrong side when it comes to revenue and quickly changed their mind to continue to support Duck Dynasty. It's a good day for Free Speech.
    A&E hasn't reinstated Robertson.

    It's not a "good day for free speech," since free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this situation, at all. It was never infringed; it was never in jeopardy from anyone.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes an employer has the right to issue ramifications for your off duty behavior but in all fairness those ramifications should not be the result of pressure from outside groups. A&E knew exactly what they were getting in Phil and the family.

    No Phil Robertson didn't lose his Freedom of Speech because GLAAD was stopped dead in their tracts from trying to achieve just that by pressuring A&E and the programs sponsors to dump him in retaliation for his remarks which amounts to threatening everyone else what can happen to you if you dare cross the GLAAD. The majority of disgusted citizens over the actions of GLAAD/ and A&E's response to them, used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH and gave GLAAD the worst setback they have received in years. A real victory. These same citizens using their FREEDOM of SPEECH brought A&E to the realization that the one they originally feared repercussions from (GLAAD) was the least of their worries and found out that when it came to loss of revenue they had chose the wrong side. When you have bullying organizations like GLAAD, companies tend to be squeamish in fear of upsetting the "political correct" point of view. But because of Freedom of Speech of many citizens, Robertson and Duck Dynasty are still on at A&E, Cracker Barrel a sponsor of the show bailed under pressure of GLAAD but learned like A&E they chose the wrong side when it comes to revenue and quickly changed their mind to continue to support Duck Dynasty. It's a good day for Free Speech.
    Cracker Barrel?

    Seriously though....this has been a tried and true tactic used by many. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but businesses make business decisions and consumers use this to their advantage.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    A&E hasn't reinstated Robertson.

    It's not a "good day for free speech," since free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this situation, at all. It was never infringed; it was never in jeopardy from anyone.
    After the outcry of citizens toward A&E for their decision to suspend Robertson, they decided to go ahead and run the new season starting January 15th of next year and Phil Robertson will be starring in them. The last contract A&E made with Robertson he made it perfectly clear that he would not tolerate any editing of the series over things in relation to faith in God and guns. If they did he would walk. A&E agreed on Robertson's terms. There was a member of A & E present during Robertson's interview with GQ.
    Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson and family lash back at A&E | Mail Online
    There wasn't any outrage by A&E at that time only after the gay organization GLAAD started pressuring A&E and sponsors of the show.
    Yes it has to do with Free Speech/expression because it is groups like GLAAD that tries to silence anyone who they think is "homophobic" by equating religious beliefs to defamation. It didn't work for them this time. The sponsors did not abandon the show, even though they used their bullying techniques to try and get them to and A&E is still planning on running the next season with Phil Robertson among the cast. yes it is a victory for Free Speech because the bullies that try and take it from others didn't win this time.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    A&E is so serious about this suspension that they ran a Duck Dynasty marathon today.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    After the outcry of citizens toward A&E for their decision to suspend Robertson, they decided to go ahead and run the new season starting January 15th of next year and Phil Robertson will be starring in them. The last contract A&E made with Robertson he made it perfectly clear that he would not tolerate any editing of the series over things in relation to faith in God and guns. If they did he would walk. A&E agreed on Robertson's terms. There was a member of A & E present during Robertson's interview with GQ.
    Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson and family lash back at A&E | Mail Online
    There wasn't any outrage by A&E at that time only after the gay organization GLAAD started pressuring A&E and sponsors of the show.
    Yes it has to do with Free Speech/expression because it is groups like GLAAD that tries to silence anyone who they think is "homophobic" by equating religious beliefs to defamation. It didn't work for them this time. The sponsors did not abandon the show, even though they used their bullying techniques to try and get them to and A&E is still planning on running the next season with Phil Robertson among the cast. yes it is a victory for Free Speech because the bullies that try and take it from others didn't win this time.
    They never weren't going to air the new episodes. Those have already been shot and in the can for a while.

    Groups like GLAAD are not capable of infringing anyone's free speech. They can exercise their own, which they did.

    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism; nor is it freedom from consequence.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Cracker Barrel?

    Seriously though....this has been a tried and true tactic used by many. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but businesses make business decisions and consumers use this to their advantage.
    Does it matter who the sponsors of the program are? No. The fact is they were being pressured by GLAAD to dump their support for the program. What part of that don't you understand?

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    A&E is so serious about this suspension that they ran a Duck Dynasty marathon today.
    A&E was never serious about a suspension, they just invented a controversy to get free publicity for their #1 show. It worked perfectly.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They never weren't going to air the new episodes. Those have already been shot and in the can for a while.

    Groups like GLAAD are not capable of infringing anyone's free speech. They can exercise their own, which they did.

    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism; nor is it freedom from consequence.
    Tell that to numerous faith based groups across this country that have had "dealings" with GLAAD because of their traditional views of marriage. Catholic, Protestant makes no difference and currently GLAAD is going after the American Family Association that promotes traditional marriage and pro-life values.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Tell that to numerous faith based groups across this country that have had "dealings" with GLAAD because of their traditional views of marriage. Catholic, Protestant makes no difference and currently GLAAD is going after the American Family Association that promotes traditional marriage and pro-life values.
    Do you understand what "freedom of speech" actually means? Hint: It does not mean that groups like GLAAD aren't allowed to criticize you.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Do you understand what "freedom of speech" actually means? Hint: It does not mean that groups like GLAAD aren't allowed to criticize you.
    Yes but do you understand that groups like GLAAD have had success in filing lawsuits against organizations that they deem "homophobic" due to religious beliefs and have had success in silencing them because the judge based his ruling not on constitutional free speech but personal "feelings"? Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!

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