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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    'Ya know, I think both the Liberals and Conservatives on this board are posting asshattishness here. Let me explain.....

    1) OK, Phil Robertson said some outlandish things and A&E suspended him. Conservatives rushed to his defense, and Liberals are smacking him.

    2) Flash back to 2002, when Bill Maher had a show on ABC called "Politically Incorrect". He was fired for saying that the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center had guts. That was also outlandish. in this case, Liberals rushed to defend him, while Conservatives smacked him.

    Just pointing out that there is a little hypocrisy on both sides of the political divide. Let us not forget that both ABC and A&E are not the government. They are privately owned companies, and their stockholders don't want the kind of controversy people like this generate. In the case of ABC, they wanted political humor, and in the case of A&E, they just wanted a good reality TV show. Neither of these cases is about trampling of first Amendment rights, so please - Both sides - Quit your bull**** astroturf dramas, and let's get down to discussing some real issues. Homeless veterans would be a good start. Do you care more about them, or is it the corporate pablum puke from the mass media that turns you on? I mean, with all the real issues at stake, which include the excesses of both the Obama and Bush administrations, you really want to make this bull**** an issue? Gimme a ****ing break!!
    So why are you posting on this thread? Start one on homeless veterans. Heck, start one on modern tent cities - a horrible thing.

    You don't want to discuss this? then don't.

    (by the way, yes, the terrorists who attacked WTC did have guts, even if we dislike the results. The first responders to 9/11 had even MORE guts though, in my opinion. Want to talk about how they've been short-sheeted in terms of health care? great. Start a thread!)

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Not according to the Robertson family they haven't.

    Duck Dynasty News: Phil Robertson ‘Reinstated’ By A&E For Season 5?
    "As of Friday, December 19, the number of viewers had dropped by 71.6 percent"

    Ouch, advertisers won't let this happen for too much longer.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    So why are you posting on this thread? Start one on homeless veterans. Heck, start one on modern tent cities - a horrible thing.

    You don't want to discuss this? then don't.

    (by the way, yes, the terrorists who attacked WTC did have guts, even if we dislike the results. The first responders to 9/11 had even MORE guts though, in my opinion. Want to talk about how they've been short-sheeted in terms of health care? great. Start a thread!)
    No way. What I posted IS related to the thread, in that we are discussing BS, while more important things that actually effect us are being shoved down our throats. Take the NDAA, for instance. While we were debating a bull**** issue like Duck Dynasty, the Senate passed that piece of crap. How many people knew about it? Not many. They were too damn busy debating Duck Dynasty. So what I posted is very germane to the discussion.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Blacks in general were certainly not and anyone that thinks there was not significant problems would be a fool. But in the context that this is all being discussed...Robertsons comments were not that there were no racial conflict or strife...merely that where he was he didnt see it. Thats realistic. Hell, you can talk to people in inner cities today and their perspective will be radically different from others.
    Certainly, which is why he should measure his comments better. Our tiny worlds are often too narrow to guide us much on the bigger picture.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    'Ya know, I think both the Liberals and Conservatives on this board are posting asshattishness here. Let me explain.....

    1) OK, Phil Robertson said some outlandish things and A&E suspended him. Conservatives rushed to his defense, and Liberals are smacking him.

    2) Flash back to 2002, when Bill Maher had a show on ABC called "Politically Incorrect". He was fired for saying that the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center had guts. That was also outlandish. in this case, Liberals rushed to defend him, while Conservatives smacked him.

    Just pointing out that there is a little hypocrisy on both sides of the political divide. Let us not forget that both ABC and A&E are not the government. They are privately owned companies, and their stockholders don't want the kind of controversy people like this generate. In the case of ABC, they wanted political humor, and in the case of A&E, they just wanted a good reality TV show. Neither of these cases is about trampling of first Amendment rights, so please - Both sides - Quit your bull**** astroturf dramas, and let's get down to discussing some real issues. Homeless veterans would be a good start. Do you care more about them, or is it the corporate pablum puke from the mass media that turns you on? I mean, with all the real issues at stake, which include the excesses of both the Obama and Bush administrations, you really want to make this bull**** an issue? Gimme a ****ing break!!
    You know, I get the sniping back and forth. It is fine and expected and part of "the game". My issue is that people are talking about losing "Freedom of Speech". It is just not true.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You know, I get the sniping back and forth. It is fine and expected and part of "the game". My issue is that people are talking about losing "Freedom of Speech". It is just not true.
    Of course it isn't true. A&E is not the friggen' government. LOL.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Certainly, which is why he should measure his comments better. Our tiny worlds are often too narrow to guide us much on the bigger picture.
    The reverse is also true. Being exposed to the "big picture" makes understanding local customs, traditions and attitudes harder. Taking a man from a primitive culture and dropping him in a modern city he would likely survive much longer than taking a man from a big city and dropping him in the wilderness.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Bull ****, my Lord says we're ALL sinners. That gives me the right.
    Only gives you the right to speak for yourself, Bud. You nor your "lord" certainly do not speak for me.

    And guess what. my Bible said this falling away would happen so there's nothing to surprise me or make me wonder.

    We saw it coming.
    Whatever.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The reverse is also true. Being exposed to the "big picture" makes understanding local customs, traditions and attitudes harder. Taking a man from a primitive culture and dropping him in a modern city he would likely survive much longer than taking a man from a big city and dropping him in the wilderness.
    Nah, the elite from either could make the transition and thrive. Didn't you see Trading Places?

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Phil has not lost his Feedom of Speech.

    But just as in many places of employment, your off duty behavior can have ramifications. Cry "that is not fair", but Freedom of Speech was never lost in that situation.

    Now, what they are faced with is a business decision. Will they lose more business if he stays or goes?
    Yes an employer has the right to issue ramifications for your off duty behavior but in all fairness those ramifications should not be the result of pressure from outside groups. A&E knew exactly what they were getting in Phil and the family.

    No Phil Robertson didn't lose his Freedom of Speech because GLAAD was stopped dead in their tracts from trying to achieve just that by pressuring A&E and the programs sponsors to dump him in retaliation for his remarks which amounts to threatening everyone else what can happen to you if you dare cross the GLAAD. The majority of disgusted citizens over the actions of GLAAD/ and A&E's response to them, used their FREEDOM OF SPEECH and gave GLAAD the worst setback they have received in years. A real victory. These same citizens using their FREEDOM of SPEECH brought A&E to the realization that the one they originally feared repercussions from (GLAAD) was the least of their worries and found out that when it came to loss of revenue they had chose the wrong side. When you have bullying organizations like GLAAD, companies tend to be squeamish in fear of upsetting the "political correct" point of view. But because of Freedom of Speech of many citizens, Robertson and Duck Dynasty are still on at A&E, Cracker Barrel a sponsor of the show bailed under pressure of GLAAD but learned like A&E they chose the wrong side when it comes to revenue and quickly changed their mind to continue to support Duck Dynasty. It's a good day for Free Speech.

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