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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Oh and regarding that whole "consequences don't infringe on free speech" argument, I'm lazy and I'm just going to repost what I posted somewhere else.
    You're still conflating actions of private and state actors.

    The STATE cannot infringe on speech.

    I am free to boycott as I see fit. I can fire you for your public speech. Neither infringes on your rights. As I am not the state. Congress passed no law.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You're still conflating actions of private and state actors.

    The STATE cannot infringe on speech.

    I am free to boycott as I see fit. I can fire you for your public speech. Neither infringes on your rights. As I am not the state. Congress passed no law.
    Really? So as long as a business does it, it cannot violate the Constitution? There are a whole litany of cases that say that's not the case. Can a baker refuse to bake a cake for a same sex marriage? Besides consequences are consequences and you're saying consequences are irrelevant to whether speech is free or not.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    There you're talking about doing something while at work. I'm talking about comments made not during work hours. Say your employer knows you post here, doesn't like what you've said and fires you for it. Still ok with it?
    I already went over this in the OTHER duck thread, if an employer has a clause in the contract you signed dealing with your "morals/conduct", and what you say violates those terms.....your employers has full rights to suspend, fire....whatever.



    "The scandal has turned into the kind of tempest network executives feared all along. A&E knew of Robertson's controversial views - expounded in videotaped sermons and elsewhere - before the show premiered in spring 2012, and warned him not to overshare on hot-button topics such as gay rights and race relations, according to a producer familiar with the situation. Phil and other family members also probably signed contracts containing "morals clauses" in which they promised to, among other things, avoid anything that would embarrass or bring shame to A&E or the brand. Such clauses are standard in the entertainment and sports industries."
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    Common sense and the Bible do not Jibe. It starts with the silly notion of a flood and all the animals being saved by a man with a boat. It moves on to describing a birth that was conceived free of intercourse; proceeds to a martyr raised from the dead, and ends with the most ridiculous science fiction I've read since writing my own in highschool.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I don't know. I haven't read the contract. Have you?
    No, but my guess is that they can't just jump to another network. Usually, lawyers don't like that sort of thing. Especially in the entertainment industry.

    Heck, I had to agree to a non-compete agreement with my employer. Trust me, I'm not making them nearly as much money.


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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I don't know. I haven't read the contract. Have you?
    Simple solution...They all come out and openly endorse the comments of the father. Suspend one, suspend all.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    I believe that A&E wanted Phil, the asshole, Robertson off the show a long time ago and have been looking for a way to do it for a long time.
    They allowed him to hang himself in the G Q interview knowing that if they gave him enough metaphorical rope that he would.
    Without the asshole in the show it will have a much broader appeal and lose it's controversial identity.
    Uncle Si is a naturally funny and self deprecating character and the brothers demonstrate a tight family bond with good natured, tongue in cheek, kidding.
    The Phil the asshole, character is always mean spirited and belittling of everyone he encounters, in the story-line, including his grand-kids, his wife and his sons.
    A&E has made a wise business decision by suspending Phil the asshole from appearing in any new shows.
    The show's continued success depended on it.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    No
    So you are speculating based on your own experience signing "non competition" contracts.

    but my guess is that they can't just jump to another network.
    Nonsense. People in entertainment do this all the time....Think of the music industry....When Led Zepplin for instance didn't see eye to eye with Atlantic Records anymore after 1974, so they formed their own record label...Contracts are changed, broken, acts move all the time.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    This is all Obama's fault . . . Phil was never kicked off A&E when Bush was in office.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nonsense. People in entertainment do this all the time....Think of the music industry....When Led Zepplin for instance didn't see eye to eye with Atlantic Records anymore after 1974, so they formed their own record label...Contracts are changed, broken, acts move all the time.
    It all depends on their contract. IIRC A&E holds the name of "Duck Dynasty" which is pretty much their identfying brand. While they may be free to go to another station and show, there may also be other factors as contracted time, etc that they may have signed.

    It isn't impossible for them to have signed such a contract, nor is it impossible this whole thing has been staged to increase public viewing. All of it is really speculation though as noone is showing the contract they signed. It's almost a gurantee that there is a contract of some sorts because A&E and the Robertson's are not stupid enough to not do a show without a contract of some sorts.

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