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'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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winston53660 said:
Yeah A&E was born at night ......
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Which is why this happened in the first place.
 
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Kobie said:
Which it very likely does.
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I would imagine that A&E would have been quick to point that out considering all the fuss.
 
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mac said:
Free association is not contractual association.
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Please clarify.

Since Mr. Dynasty doesn't appear to be suing A&E, there very likely was a termination clause in the contract, especially seeing as how A&E had warned his guy before.
 
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mac said:
Then why wasn't there a rep from A&E there, and why wasn't there a stipulation that A&E gets to screen the interview?
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Maybe there was maybe there wasn't and he just blabbed. I've so seen stranger things in that gig
 
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justabubba said:
now you can include among your cohort of supporters the westboro church, which has announced its intent to picket A&E. that should make you very proud of such an association
kind of like A&E being proud of its association with phil robertson
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You realize that relating the average supporter of DD over A&E to westboro in the fashion you did is the same manner people suggest that Roberson related homosexuality to beastiality, right?

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SouthernDemocrat said:
Once again, no one is offended by Phil saying that he believes homosexuality is a sin. They are offended by him then going on to basically compare 2 lesbian chicks living together to a sicko raping a dog.
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When did he say that? Link, please?
 
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Zyphlin said:
You realize that relating the average supporter of DD over A&E to westboro in the fashion you did is the same manner people suggest that Roberson related homosexuality to beastiality, right?

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"But...but...but...that's different!"
 
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Kobie said:
Please clarify.

Since Mr. Dynasty doesn't appear to be suing A&E, there very likely was a termination clause in the contract, especially seeing as how A&E had warned his guy before.
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Their right to free association does not override their contractual obligations.
 
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mac said:
Their right to free association does not override their contractual obligations.
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We don't know what their contractual obligations were, or what escape clauses existed. Let's not shift the conversation to legalese. I highly doubt that A&E would can the guy without having their i's dotted and t's crossed.
 
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notquiteright said:
So it is Mammon uber alles???? Seriously???

The quackers are free to shop their family around- once the contract is over. The only tweek I can think of to 'improve' the show is to have a minor pregnant unwed teen... :)
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More bigotry...awesome!
 
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mac said:
Not only the govt censors....it's just the govt that is in violation of the constitution when they do.
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That is all that matters with freedom of speech. You don't have free speech protections in regard to your employer, your friends, the general public or for that matter your spouse. That is why its always a good idea to measure your words when talking about something that is controversial so that you avoid offending others. The government won't prevent a guy from calling his girlfriend a common street whore, but that doesn't mean he won't face consequences for doing so.
 
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mac said:
Whether they had a right to do it, or not, is irrelevant to the fact that they have censored him for practicing his right to free speech. :shrug:
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That is ridiculous. Do you have a right to a TV Show? Do you have a right to work for your employer? If not he is not being censored. In fact, even if you have a right to a TV Show, he would not be being censored because if he was censored, we would have never heard the quote.
 
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Kobie said:
We don't know what their contractual obligations were, or what escape clauses existed. Let's not shift the conversation to legalese. I highly doubt that A&E would can the guy without having their i's dotted and t's crossed.
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I imagine there was such a clause, I imagine that it was probably well explained to the duck clan...regardless, A&E has the choice in enforcing the claus or not. Whether or not the clause existed, A&E still censored him, and I would argue if they had done it for expressing the opposing opinion...all you guys would be singing a far different tune. See, it seems most are only concerned about free speech being protected when it is speech they agree with, and the great majority of you are proving that correct.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
That is ridiculous. Do you have a right to a TV Show? Do you have a right to work for your employer? If not he is not being censored. In fact, even if you have a right to a TV Show, he would not be being censored because if he was censored, we would have never heard the quote.
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Censorship is not only censorship when it's illegal or unconstitutional and whether or not they had the right to do it is also irrelevant. They did do it, they censored him. That simple.
 
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mac said:
I imagine there was such a clause, I imagine that it was probably well explained to the duck clan...regardless, A&E has the choice in enforcing the claus or not. Whether or not the clause existed, A&E still censored him, and I would argue if they had done it for expressing the opposing opinion...all you guys would be singing a far different tune. See, it seems most are only concerned about free speech being protected when it is speech they agree with, and the great majority of you are proving that correct.
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Argument By Hypothesis is fun.

What would the "opposing opinion" be? Vilifying straight people?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
That is all that matters with freedom of speech.
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Uhm...no. That is not all that matters.

You don't have free speech protections in regard to your employer, your friends, the general public or for that matter your spouse. That is why its always a good idea to measure your words when talking about something that is controversial so that you avoid offending others. The government won't prevent a guy from calling his girlfriend a common street whore, but that doesn't mean he won't face consequences for doing so.
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Not having to measure your speech in order to not offend others is why there is a freedom of speech to begin with. With regard to employers, there is still freedom of speech unless it's specifically waived by mutual agreement.
 
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Next thing yanno some people will be calling for the fairness doctrine back
 
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Kobie said:
Argument By Hypothesis is fun.

What would the "opposing opinion" be? Vilifying straight people?
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No, if he had expressed a favorable opinion of homosexuals and was then suspended for doing so.
 
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Censorship is the conservative bailiwick, going back to Josephy McCarthy and faux outrage over commies in Hollywood..
Love the Mob being sicked on the KKK by the FBI in Mississippi burning .
 
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but he didn't--Present Moment Awareness
mac said:
No, if he had expressed a favorable opinion of homosexuals and was then suspended for doing so.
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mac said:
No, if he had expressed a favorable opinion of homosexuals and was then suspended for doing so.
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Yay what ifs. What if he had done that on Pat Robinson's network
 
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mac said:
No, if he had expressed a favorable opinion of homosexuals and was then suspended for doing so.
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That wouldn't particularly make much sense.

You're also misconstruing the argument (at least my argument). I'm not speaking in favor of or against Mr. Duck's suspension. I literally could not care less. I am arguing about this strictly as a First Amendment free speech issue, which it is not.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
The whole issue could have been
avoided had Phil simply had the common decency to measure his words when giving an interview just like anyone else would.
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He said NOTHING indecent and he and his family could teach the rest of America ( especially the Democrats ) a thing or two about decency.

But, I say to all you Prog's this is definately a fight worth fighting.

Yes, continue to take the side of the fringe minority in this issue as you isolate the vast majority of Americans who currently stand behing the Robertsons family.
 
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mac said:
Uhm...no. That is not all that matters.



Not having to measure your speech in order to not offend others is why there is a freedom of speech to begin with. With regard to employers, there is still freedom of speech unless it's specifically waived by mutual agreement.
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What fantasy world do you live in? Try not measuring your words on any controversial issue at work and see what happens to you. Next time you are in the office get in front of everyone and tell them why you think homosexuality is comparable to bestiality. See if you still have a job after that one.
 
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