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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Why don't they have fits over people eating shellfish? When I see Christians picketing in front of Red Lobster with the same zeal they display when protesting Gays, then I will agree. But, until then, I call their protestation nothing but hate speech disguised as religion.
    Exactly. If the Robertsons are so bible-loving, why don't the men cut their hair? (see corinthians)

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Why don't they have fits over people eating shellfish? When I see Christians picketing in front of Red Lobster with the same zeal they display when protesting Gays, then I will agree. But, until then, I call their protestation nothing but hate speech disguised as religion.
    Why should they picket over something that is no longer required?
    You argument is ridiculous.



    Sex in Leviticus
    It's part of a much broader teaching in Scripture.
    Christopher J.H. Wright
    [ posted 7/22/2013 8:01AM ]
    Editor's note: This article appeared as a sidebar to Wright's "Learning to Love Leviticus," part of CT's July-August cover story on Grappling with the God of Two Testaments.


    The law in Leviticus prohibiting sexual intercourse between men (18:22) comes in the same book that contains laws prohibiting foods that Israelites were to consider unclean (chapter 11). We eat shellfish today without any moral problems, so why should we treat this sex law as morally binding? Haven't we outgrown all of that Levitical law anyway? Christians who insist on the sexual laws of the Bible are being inconsistent in not keeping all the other laws too. So goes one line of argument in modern debates about homosexuality. To this, three things must be said.

    First, as I note in "Learning to Love Leviticus," we no longer keep the food laws because the separation they symbolized (between Israelites and Gentiles in the Old Testament) is no longer relevant in Christ. But the ethical principles embodied in Old Testament laws on sexual relations (positive and negative) remain constant and are reaffirmed by Jesus and Paul in the New Testament.

    Second, the argument would reduce the Bible to absurdity. The Ten Commandments come in the same book that commanded Israel not to climb the mountain. If we are told that we cannot with consistency disapprove of same-sex activity unless we also stop eating shellfish, then we should not condemn theft and murder unless we also ban mountaineering.

    Third, and most important, the biblical discussion of homosexual behaviour begins not in Leviticus, as if the whole argument depends on how we interpret a single Old Testament law. When Jesus was asked about divorce, he would not let the argument get stuck around the interpretation of the law. Instead he took the issue back to Genesis. That is where we find the foundational biblical teaching about God's purpose in creating human sexual complementarity—and it is very rich. It reflects God—male and female together being made in God's image—and it provides the necessary togetherness and equality in the task of procreating and ruling the earth. This God-given complementarity is so important that God explains how it is to be joyfully celebrated and exercised—the union of marriage that is heterosexual, monogamous, nonincestuous, socially visible and affirmed, physical, and permanent (Gen. 2:24, endorsed by Jesus).

    On that foundation, the rest of the Bible—in the laws and narratives, in the prophets and wisdom literature, in the Gospels and Epistles—consistently teaches that any other kind of sexual intercourse falls short of God's best will and plan for human flourishing. (And we should note that the Bible has far more to say about all forms of disordered heterosexual sexual activity, including nonmarital and extramarital, than its prohibition of same-sex intercourse).

    The law in Leviticus, then, must not be isolated, stuck alongside shellfish, and mocked into irrelevance. It is one small piece of a much larger and consistent pattern of whole-Bible teaching about the gift and joy and purpose and disciplines of our sexuality.


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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Exactly. If the Robertsons are so bible-loving, why don't the men cut their hair? (see corinthians)
    You need to start thinking about the times that was written in.
    Jesus had long hair, did he not?
    His hair would have been considered short as compared to a woman's ass/waist hair length during the time.

    So Phil's hair would be considered the appropriate length.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Maybe, but I don't hide behind Christ when I do it. I freely admit that I'm an asshole to religious zealots.

    Taking another tack. How's these apples? Lets assume a homosexual believes all your Biblical nonsense. Is it not evil, actually doing violence onto him, to badger him over something intrinsic in him, a part of his being which he cannot change, saying it will send him to Hell? And, before you respond, that same Bible which casts homosexual acts as sin will also condemn you to hell for eating shellfish and a host of other things. But, yet, your arrogance lets you excuse violating those protocols while giving the Gays no quarter.

    It's ridiculous. And, that is why I say Phil is a moron hiding behind his religion.
    Okay, so you hide behind science, because you didn't do the science you just believe. You're hiding behind the scientists.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    If he said that, A&E would not have suspended him. Is being disingenuous part of your religion?
    He can't condemn anyone to Hell, only God can do that.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Okay, so you hide behind science, because you didn't do the science you just believe. You're hiding behind the scientists.
    Not really. Science does not explain origin of life, yet alone all of existence. I hide behind nothing. I stand exposed to forces, both known and unknown, staring at the random nature of cold hard reality without the comfort of make believe.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He can't condemn anyone to Hell, only God can do that.
    He clearly stated that homosexual sex was sinful.

    “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”
    Not much gray there.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    He clearly stated that homosexual sex was sinful.



    Not much gray there.
    Yes he did, he believes that's what the Bible says and believes it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Not really. Science does not explain origin of life, yet alone all of existence. I hide behind nothing. I stand exposed to forces, both known and unknown, staring at the random nature of cold hard reality without the comfort of make believe.
    You stand exposed to unknown forces? Like maybe God.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yes he did, he believes that's what the Bible says and believes it.
    Does he believe and/or do these things too?
    Matthew 11:19
    11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: 12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

    Deuteronomy 22:13-21
    1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord. 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

    Deuteronomy 23:1
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

    Mark 7:25-27
    10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare [2] her nails; 13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house...

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