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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    And SCOTUS had ruled that the states were allowed to do what they did.
    Irrelevant to this discussion.

    Any comparison between Duckman and Rosa Parks is utterly absurd on an almost metaphysical level.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    What throws me for a loop is the constant gay bashing on the Right. I'm not exactly a fan of gay sex myself, but I also know that gay relationships go far beyond just sex. I guess I empathize with a person or group of them being offended by someone reducing their love for a partner to comparisons between a vagina and an asshole. It's crass, to say the least.

    Now, that being said, I can understand why people feel gays are an affront to what is decent and healthy in our society. After all, an 800 lbs gorilla in the room is the Aids epidemic, which we all know was primarily spread--in the USA, at least--through gay sex. When religious people and others complain about the practices of gay men, arguing that such behaviors can take down our society/country/whatever, they should not be discounted out of hand; it's not like the risks there are negligible.

    However---and, this is where I draw the line in the sand--every human being has a right to happiness. And, in a free society, that includes having sex and marrying any consenting adult they fancy. If someone is attrated to same sex partners, and they find one--we should not interfere with their happiness.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    What throws me for a loop is the constant gay bashing on the Right. I'm not exactly a fan of gay sex myself, but I also know that gay relationships go far beyond just sex. I guess I empathize with a person or group of them being offended by someone reducing their love for a partner to comparisons between a vagina and an asshole. It's crass, to say the least.
    If anything about this guy's rant "offended" me (and it really didn't, I more rolled my eyes than anything; I don't offend particularly easy) it was this part. Complete trivialization of how attraction, both sexually and emotionally, actually works. You can claim the other stuff is excused by his religion, but this part here was just abject ignorance.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    I am at a total loss and can not fathom how what Phil Robertson and the consequences he has faced is even remotely comparable to Rosa Parks and the civil rights movement. Here you have some guy who said something he probably could have worded in a much less offensive way to a woman who stood up for herself against racial discrimination. Upper class white christian males have no idea what it's like to really be discriminated against. The comparison isn't even close.

    Phil Robertson's freedom of speech is not and has not been violated. He is not being censored. He can still say whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't have a muzzle on. But with every action is a reaction and when you're a "celebrity" you're every action is accounted for. He should have known better.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    What throws me for a loop is the constant gay bashing on the Right.
    You are choosing to see that which is not there or, you are inflating and conflating to come to such an opinion.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Bull****. I can say whatever the hell I want, and my boss cant fire me for it.
    Find yourself a female co-worker and ask her "hey, whats that useless flap of skin around a vagina called? A woman!" and see if you don't get fired for sexual harassment.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    We have no gay clients, that I know of. But, if we did, and I went to a trade mag interview and voiced an opinion like Phil did, I would not be surprised to hear a price was to be paid. Being fired would be likely.

    Common sense dictates that when you disparage a group of people, whether it's your religion commanding you to do it or not, your employer is going to have an issue with it of it if anyone in that group is a part of their customer base.
    You think it's right that they can fire you for practicing your religion?
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Irrelevant to this discussion.

    Any comparison between Duckman and Rosa Parks is utterly absurd on an almost metaphysical level.
    No. it's not irrelevant. Rosa Parks did not have the right to do what she did in the time and place she did it. Hell, that's why she's important.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your mom taught you to lie? Figures!
    You can only respond with a personal attack??? How ahhh CON of you...

    She taught me to mind my mouth, something you should have learned.

    Phil could have said many things that didn't cast judgement, he could of focused on his life of sin instead of commenting on other people and their lifestyle. He could have been honest about the pre-civil rights south and just how 'happy' black folks were...

    or he could have just kept his big mouth shut.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You think it's right that they can fire you for practicing your religion?
    Practicing your religion means not having sex with your identical sex.

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