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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not at the time, they weren't.
    One can argue that they were, since the 14th Amendment had been ratified in 1868 allowing for equal protection under law. But that's an entirely different ball of wax, since segregation and "separate but equal" were obviously discriminatory policies and the Duckman not being able to say whatever he wants without repercussions from a private employer is not.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I see them both "standing up" for what they believe.
    Are you serious? If being an offensive bigot is an example of bravely "standing up for what you believe", then you must think that Klansman are the bravest people on earth.

    Blacks were systematically persecuted and discriminated against in the segregated south. In contrast, there are no separate water fountains for Christians. Christians do not have to sit at the counter in restaurants. Christians do not have to send their kids to segregated schools. Christians are not banned from using most bathrooms. We do not have poll taxes on Christians and do not deny their right to vote. It is a slap in the face to black people that were alive under Jim Crow to make the comparison you just made. Christians are not persecuted in this country in any way. Hell, you can't even get elected to office in nearly all cases without claiming to be a Christian.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    In the end A&E will suffer for their intolerance and bigotry.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    One can argue that they were, since the 14th Amendment had been ratified in 1868 allowing for equal protection under law. But that's an entirely different ball of wax, since segregation and "separate but equal" were obviously discriminatory policies and the Duckman not being able to say whatever he wants without repercussions from a private employer is not.
    And SCOTUS had ruled that the states were allowed to do what they did.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Are you serious? If being an offensive bigot is an example of bravely "standing up for what you believe", then you must think that Klansman are the bravest people on earth.

    Blacks were systematically persecuted and discriminated against in the segregated south. In contrast, there are no separate water fountains for Christians. Christians do not have to sit at the counter in restaurants. Christians do not have to send their kids to segregated schools. Christians are not banned from using most bathrooms. We do not have poll taxes on Christians and do not deny their right to vote. It is a slap in the face to black people that were alive under Jim Crow to make the comparison you just made. Christians are not persecuted in this country in any way. Hell, you can't even get elected to office in nearly all cases without claiming to be a Christian.
    The comparison is that they were both standing up for what they beleive....not the severity of what they were standing up for.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The comparison is that they were both standing up for what they beleive....not the severity of what they were standing up for.
    I give up.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The comparison is that they were both standing up for what they beleive....not the severity of what they were standing up for.
    That was weak.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That was weak.
    It's true.

    To be fair, I wouldn't have made the comparison, but I understand the reasoning behind it.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Could they fire you for, on your own time and away from the workplace, practicing your religion?
    We have no gay clients, that I know of. But, if we did, and I went to a trade mag interview and voiced an opinion like Phil did, I would not be surprised to hear a price was to be paid. Being fired would be likely.

    Common sense dictates that when you disparage a group of people, whether it's your religion commanding you to do it or not, your employer is going to have an issue with it of it if anyone in that group is a part of their customer base.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In the end A&E will suffer for their intolerance and bigotry.
    A&E's actions are neither. It is a private enterprise protecting its brand, nothing more.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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