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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
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    So you've said that companies can't fire you for what you say. But they can.

    But hey, if you think you didn't say that, who am I to quibble? lots of other people did.
    I didn't say once that they can not fire you. Not once. The closest I said is "doesn't automatically grant them the right to fire you." Which it doesn't, in the sense that companies are always legally protected in doing so.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Any time you are punished for expressing an opinion, it's a First Amendment free speech issue....even if the the first amendment doesn't offer a specifically prevent it.
    So...Martin Bashir?
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

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    Union?
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Way to misconstrue the argument. Duck guy exercised his first amendment rights -- nobody said he didn't. "First amendment issue," in the context of this discussion, means "were his first-amendment rights violated." Don't be so dishonest.
    If you punish someone for expressing an opinion, you are violating their first amendment right to free speech. That violation isn't always enforceable through law, though. There is nothing dishonest about that.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    So...Martin Bashir?
    You know even Sara Palin didnt want him fired. So that throws out the window your comparison.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You know even Sara Palin didnt want him fired. So that throws out the window your comparison.
    It wasn't really sarah palin's view point I was pointing out, rather Mac's and Faux's and the vast hypocrisy seen(on faux's part) not necessarily Mac
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Why is it laughable?
    To refer to Duck Dude as the Rosa Parks of this generation? How is it not?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If you punish someone for expressing an opinion, you are violating their first amendment right to free speech. That violation isn't always enforceable through law, though. There is nothing dishonest about that.
    If the government punishes someone for expressing an opinion, that is violating their first amendment right. A private employer is not, because when it comes to a private employer or venue, the first amendment right to free speech doesn't exist unless contractually stated.

    Would you say the moderators of DP who infract posters are violating their free speech rights?

    The "dishonest part" was attempting to reframe the term "first-amendment issue" away from the context in which it's been used in this thread. But no worries.
    Last edited by Kobie; 12-21-13 at 10:40 PM.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    As long as your not on the clock one can say whatever they want IMHO. Barring disbarring the product.
    That is not how the First Amendment has been interpreted ever.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I didn't say once that they can not fire you. Not once. The closest I said is "doesn't automatically grant them the right to fire you." Which it doesn't, in the sense that companies are always legally protected in doing so.
    I can't go running around town bashing the customers of the company I work for without running the risk of being fired. In fact, if I gave an interview for a trade magazine and started calling our Japanese customers a bunch of slanty-eyed SOB's who we should have nuked to kingdom come, I'd probably be a goner before the interview was even completed.

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