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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It doesn't matter. He doesn't stop being a representative of A&E when he steps off the set.
    That is true of anyone. If you do an interview with the local paper and that paper identifies your employer, then you could be fired for something you said your employer believed was offensive, or simply did not like. Let just about anyone on this forum get interviewed by their local paper and give the same statements Phil did and see if they don't get fired.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Free speech," in terms of the First Amendment, is not freedom from repercussions -- only from government sanction. Yes, A&E "censored" him, so to speak, which they have every right to do.
    Whether they had a right to do it, or not, is irrelevant to the fact that they have censored him for practicing his right to free speech.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Apples and oranges. He wasn't at work when he said what he said.
    Wrong, he was at work. Promotions is a part of the gig in that business.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It doesn't matter. He doesn't stop being a representative of A&E when he steps off the set.
    He does, unless his contract specifically states otherwise.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Whether they had a right to do it, or not, is irrelevant to the fact that they have censored him for practicing his right to free speech.
    A&E exercised its own right to free association.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Wrong, he was at work. Promotions is a part of the gig in that business.
    Then why wasn't there a rep from A&E there, and why wasn't there a stipulation that A&E gets to screen the interview?
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    A&E exercised its own right to free association.
    Free association is not contractual association.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He does, unless his contract specifically states otherwise.
    Yeah A&E was born at night ......

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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Did the government penalize him, censure him, fine him, imprison him, or in anyway impede his freedom of expression? No, the government did not. Thus it is not a Free Speech issue. You realize that the constitutional protection for the freedom of expression is a restriction on the power of government.

    This is the text of the First Amendment:

    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    That is a restriction on the power of government. It doesn't say that you can express yourself in anyway without fear of any repercussions from anyone. It simply says that the government does not have the power to restrict your freedom of expression. The courts have allowed for reasonable exemptions such as laws prohibiting screaming fire in a theater.

    Freedom of the Press works the same way. The government does not have the power to censor the press. The courts have since allowed for reasonable exemptions related to National Security. However, just because the government cannot censor the press, that does not mean that a reporter cannot be fired for writing something the paper they work for prohibits them from doing. Similarly, though the government cannot censor you, your employer can certainly fire you for something you say. For example, you are free to say the N word. The government will not penalize you or censor you in anyway for doing so. However, if you use the N word at work or at a company function, you are probably going to get fired. Would that mean your freedom of speech was violated? Of course not. The same is true in this case.
    Not only the govt censors....it's just the govt that is in violation of the constitution when they do.
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    re: 'Duck Dynasty': A&E warned Phil Robertson about speaking out too much [W:1111]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He does, unless his contract specifically states otherwise.
    Which it very likely does.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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