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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

roguenuke said:
No, because it is recognized that the ruling is being challenged. It does not recognize the law as valid, only that allowing further actions based on the ruling to happen can complicate the future rulings. It is common in many rulings. The ruling is still valid and means that those other marriages are still legal marriages until a future ruling, based solely on the validity of those marriages that got in prior to the stay is made.
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Except there is no difference between a prior challenge gay marriage and one today.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
1.)I could care less about the issue being discussed - I'm on a different level than that.

2.)The feds shouldn't be sticking their dick where it doesn't belong....

3.)The feds can't do a damn thing....

4.) If a governor told the feds to **** off the feds wouldn't know what to do - especially Obama.... They'd file lawsuits which would be moot considering they would still be in denial about what "**** off" means...

5.)Seriously, the feds couldn't do ****..
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1.) yes a factual wrong and off topic level
2.) good thing this factually isnt happening the fed is doing exactly what they are supposed to do, protect individual rights
3.) already proven factually false, crimes can be prosecuted
4.) they would simply prosecute the criminal
5.) see 3
 
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winston53660 said:
Can you make a post with out using the word ****? And yes I know what authoritarianism is I also know what the tyranny of the majority is.
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No I cant make a post without saying ****...

Oh yeah, you're one of those progressives who believe the majority is the evil devil until you get majority and then it's democracy....

Nothing unique about that philosophy - every progressive "liberal" possesses it...

Do you progressives not realize you all make the same ****ing arguments? its almost as if they're scripted. They probably are considering the DNC hands materials out these days that are 1984is contradictions or rebuttals to accusations or even philosophies.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
No I cant make a post without saying ****...

1.)Oh yeah, you're one of those progressives who believe the majority is the evil devil until you get majority and then it's democracy....

2.)Nothing unique about that philosophy - every progressive "liberal" possesses it...

3.)Do you progressives not realize you all make the same ****ing arguments? its almost as if they're scripted. They probably are considering the DNC hands materials out these days that are 1984 is contradictions or rebuttals to accusations or even philosophies.
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1.) no this was never said it was only said the majority doesnt get to trump rights, why do you make stuff up
2.) well since you posted a lie and made it up i agree theres nothign unique about that lie
3.) weird people on the right, left, conservatives, progressives, liberals etc all understand the fact this is an equal rights issue yet you post the lie that only progressives support equal rights

well facts defeat your post again
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Mr.Nick said:
No I cant make a post without saying ****...

Oh yeah, you're one of those progressives who believe the majority is the evil devil until you get majority and then it's democracy....

Nothing unique about that philosophy - every progressive "liberal" possesses it...

Do you progressives not realize you all make the same ****ing arguments? its almost as if they're scripted. They probably are considering the DNC hands materials out these days that are 1984is contradictions or rebuttals to accusations or even philosophies.
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You are in a league of your own Nick, thank goodness.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

roguenuke said:
No, because it is recognized that the ruling is being challenged. It does not recognize the law as valid, only that allowing further actions based on the ruling to happen can complicate the future rulings. It is common in many rulings. The ruling is still valid and means that those other marriages are still legal marriages until a future ruling, based solely on the validity of those marriages that got in prior to the stay is made.
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A passed law is valid until it is squashed/repealed (even while being challenged).

Obamacare is a perfect example.
 
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Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

winston53660 said:
You are in a league of your own Nick, thank goodness.
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Yes I am and I'm not embarrassed to say that either.

Sorry but protecting the Bill of Rights and civil liberties shouldn't be taboo, nor frowned upon.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
Are you saying this is illegal?
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I'll leave that to the courts to decide. But how would you feel if you were told your marriage was not recognized by your state, when you paid the money, got the license, had the ceremony, and thought you were married?

The marriages still exist; the state may close its eyes and go "waaaah we can't see them". But they are there. They are part of the public record.

We'll see how well that ignoring holds up in court...
 
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paddymcdougall said:
But how would you feel if you were told your marriage was not recognized by your state, when you paid the money, got the license, had the ceremony, and thought you were married?
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I would know it would be silly to do so in that time frame.
 
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clownboy said:
Yes, federal funding IS a big deal. Not to mention all the other little ways the fed could make things very uncomfortable for the state. Like requiring federal oversight for every single administrative department the state has, from police to accounting. The IRS could go into overtime checking and rechecking every Utah politicians and business tax filings and charging them for the pleasure.

Again, not saying it's right, just saying it's where we are.
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Let's see, what did the feds do the LAST time Utah tried to go their own way with marriage? hmm.... I seem to remember it involved troops...
 
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Mr.Nick said:
1.)Yes I am and I'm not embarrassed to say that either.

2.)Sorry but protecting the Bill of Rights and civil liberties shouldn't be taboo, nor frowned upon.
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1.) very telling
2.) correct then you are for equal rights for gays and SSM now? AWESOME!!!
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Let's see, what did the feds do the LAST time Utah tried to go their own way with marriage? hmm.... I seem to remember it involved troops...
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You mean it didn't involve troops...
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Mr.Nick said:
A passed law is valid until it is squashed/repealed (even while being challenged).

Obamacare is a perfect example.
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And a law found to be unconstitutional is unconstitutional even while being challenged. Which means those marriages that happened before the stay are still valid.
 
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wolfsgirl said:
And a law found to be unconstitutional is unconstitutional even while being challenged. Which means those marriages that happened before the stay are still valid.
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NOPE...... That is NOT how the legal system works...

I know progressives know absolutely NOTHING about that but... It takes the SCOTUS to stop a law or a district judge to issue a cease/halt order which would be overturned in 2 seconds.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
As far as I'm concerned the government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business. Theoretically they're not considering marriage is nothing more than a contract - which is what angers me even more about the gays. There is absolutely nothing stopping them from signing civil contracts... This whole plight by them is nothing more than a plight of "social acceptance" which is goofy considering no one can force another to accept an idea.... I don't care much for peas, yet you can shove peas down my throat all day and that still wont make me like peas, but at the same time I don't give a **** if others like peas or of others grow peas.... To each his own....
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So if you don't care if other people eat peas, why do you care if other people, when they get married, happen to marry someone of the same gender?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
Because those marriages are not legal during the stay, sure. Which means, the other ones are not either.
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This came up in California. Marriages performed before Prop 8 passed were still valid after Prop 8 passed. The marriages performed before the stay are still valid, regardless what the governor claims.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

paddymcdougall said:
Actually, Utah takes a lot more in federal taxes than it gives
Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture
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They don't need farm subsidies - if you want to look at "farm subsidies" take a look at the assholes in Chicago who get them because the just happen to have a garden on their front lawn.

Don't even make me get into that bull****..... Paying people to waste perfectly good product......
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Mr.Nick said:
You mean it didn't involve troops...
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Seriously? read up on your history of Utah around the time they were trying to keep polygamy... .
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

paddymcdougall said:
This came up in California. Marriages performed before Prop 8 passed were still valid after Prop 8 passed.
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Do you think the legislation is exactly the same in both states?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Mr.Nick said:
NOPE...... That is NOT how the legal system works...

I know progressives know absolutely NOTHING about that but... It takes the SCOTUS to stop a law or a district judge to issue a cease/halt order which would be overturned in 2 seconds.
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A federal judge issues a cease order when judge Shelby made his ruling. It has not been overturned.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Slightly different, but basically the same situation. Marriage was declared legal; they got married; it later was declared illegal; you can't dissolve those marriages that happened.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

paddymcdougall said:
Seriously? read up on your history of Utah around the time they were trying to keep polygamy... .
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ps - hint - THEY USED TROOPS
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

paddymcdougall said:
Actually, Utah takes a lot more in federal taxes than it gives
Is Your State A Net Giver or Taker of Federal Taxes? | The Big Picture
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Farm subsidies..... The same subsidies afforded to farmers are being extended to the inner cities.....

I got news for you - most farmers want NONE of that **** - all those subsidies do is turn farms into grain and dairy slaves to the government.... Horrible stuff.
 
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