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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

No military unit in their right mind would EVER AGAIN back the federal government over the Tenth Amendment....

Sorry but there are no riots happening and there is no civil disobedience here...

Is this the United States or is the the former USSR?

I know progressives want it to be the USSR but sorry to tell these progressives but a bunch of academics and politicians who theorize about what looks good on paper should really see their flaws in reality and in practice...

What are the feds going to do? arrest a governor? an entire legislative body for not adhering to their bull****?

How you think Russia became communist in the first place with Lenin and the Bolsheviks? yeah they said "**** off" - just like I'm saying **** off to them...

Posse Commitatus Act prevents the military from working within the borders of the US, although the NG could technically still help. And most military units would not be really effective in this case anyway.

But there is plenty of law enforcement that would help as well. And there are plenty of supporters out there, along with those who simply do not care about this issue one way or another. The federal government has the power here, whether you approve or not.

And there are other ways to ensure enforcement of rulings, otherwise Texas would continue to try to prosecute sodomites.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Harder to conceal made up reasons.

For some, Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose .

Democrat is just another name for nothing left to take.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

But is isn't.

Of course they can, and are.

It is invalid as of right now. The law has been ruled unconstitutional and until another ruling is made to overturn this current ruling, then the law is invalid.

They can what? They cannot simply void a marriage, no matter what this governor believes. They will see major lawsuits due to their own laws on voiding marriages and what the law says about this. Even the state laws (that I have already posted) say that there are certain circumstances only in which a marriage can be voided. Same sex marriage is not one of those.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

It is invalid as of right now. The law has been ruled unconstitutional and until another ruling is made to overturn this current ruling, then the law is invalid.

They can what? They cannot simply void a marriage, no matter what this governor believes. They will see major lawsuits due to their own laws on voiding marriages and what the law says about this. Even the state laws (that I have already posted) say that there are certain circumstances only in which a marriage can be voided. Same sex marriage is not one of those.

No, that ruling has been stayed. The law is valid, legal, and enforceable as of right now.

I encourage them to sue before the 10th hears arguments.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

1.)No military unit in their right mind would EVER AGAIN back the federal government over the Tenth Amendment....
Sorry but there are no riots happening and there is no civil disobedience here...

2.)Is this the United States or is the the former USSR?

3.)I know progressives want it to be the USSR but sorry to tell these progressives but a bunch of academics and politicians who theorize about what looks good on paper should really see their flaws in reality and in practice...

4.) What are the feds going to do? arrest a governor? an entire legislative body for not adhering to their bull****?

5.) How you think Russia became communist in the first place with Lenin and the Bolsheviks? yeah they said "**** off" - just like I'm saying **** off to them...

1.)what?

make up your mind

will bigots try to riot, be disobedient and try to seced from the US or not, if so and its REALLY tried yes the military would be involved and they would kick ass

2.) of course not, if it was bigotry would be winning but instead equal rights is winning, dont you watch the news or read it?

Russia supports bigotry and discrimination we dont

3.) see #2 facts prove you factually wrong again, russia doesnt allow gay rights so this strawman is one of the worse ones ever

4.) yes if they break the law

5.) this strawman again? see 2 and 3
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

So you seem to think if the majority vote one way on something say llike to deny gay marriage that should be the way it is right?

Yes...

It's called direct democracy - you know - the same reason why progressives were crying when Gore lost the election. Progressives seemed to be a big fan then of the idea.

However, I'm not talking about national direct democracy I'm talking about state direct democracy - which exists for some issues - which is why voting propositions are on the ****ing ballot....

Prop 8 is a perfect example of the general public in a state voting and the feds or some ****ing bent group running to a judge and having all that "democracy ****" overturned because progressives are authoritarians.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Russia supports bigotry and discrimination we dont

Actually the US enforces bigotry and discrimination, in some cases.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

No, that ruling has been stayed. The law is valid, legal, and enforceable as of right now.

I encourage them to sue before the 10th hears arguments.

The ruling has not been stayed, only the marriages themselves. The ruling was valid and invalidated the law.

It doesn't matter when the Circuit court takes the case. IF there marriages are being voided, then they have a valid case, no matter the results of the next court decision on this initial case.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Actually the US enforces bigotry and discrimination, in some cases.

we are talking about equal rights, thanks for your strawman but it fails like the rest of your posts lol
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The ruling has not been stayed, only the marriages themselves. The ruling was valid and invalidated the law.

It doesn't matter when the Circuit court takes the case. IF there marriages are being voided, then they have a valid case, no matter the results of the next court decision on this initial case.

So the marriages are not valid during that time.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Posse Commitatus Act prevents the military from working within the borders of the US, although the NG could technically still help. And most military units would not be really effective in this case anyway.

But there is plenty of law enforcement that would help as well. And there are plenty of supporters out there, along with those who simply do not care about this issue one way or another. The federal government has the power here, whether you approve or not.

And there are other ways to ensure enforcement of rulings, otherwise Texas would continue to try to prosecute sodomites.

The feds have nothing and can do nothing....

A governor with balls just needs to point that out....

As far as civil armies that adore the federal government - progressives have none. Hell, they're afraid of guns for ****s sake. When the words have been said - all they know is run to the nearest rock and hide under it.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Yes...

It's called direct democracy - you know - the same reason why progressives were crying when Gore lost the election. Progressives seemed to be a big fan then of the idea.

However, I'm not talking about national direct democracy I'm talking about state direct democracy - which exists for some issues - which is why voting propositions are on the ****ing ballot....

Prop 8 is a perfect example of the general public in a state voting and the feds or some ****ing bent group running to a judge and having all that "democracy ****" overturned because progressives are authoritarians.

Ahhhh so the tyranny of the majority is fine on the state level. Seems awfully authoritarian to me.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Actually the US enforces bigotry and discrimination, in some cases.

Eric Holder knows all about that.

He's a very selective man.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

So the marriages are not valid during that time.

The marriages are valid right now because they were valid at that time, when they were entered into.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The marriages are valid right now because they were valid at that time, when they were entered into.

But you just said stayed.

The state does not recognize them because of the law.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

1.)The feds have nothing and can do nothing....

2.)A governor with balls just needs to point that out....

3.) As far as civil armies that adore the federal government - progressives have none. Hell, they're afraid of guns for ****s sake. When the words have been said - all they know is run to the nearest rock and hide under it.

1.) you keep posting this lie but its been factually proven wrong
2.) translation a criminal would end up in jail
3.) more hyperbolic strawmen and fantasy.

do you have anything factual to discuss?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Ahhhh so the tyranny of the majority is fine on the state level. Seems awfully authoritarian to me.

Do you know what the **** authoritarian means or in which context is should be used?

Your posts are classic...
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The feds have nothing and can do nothing....

A governor with balls just needs to point that out....

As far as civil armies that adore the federal government - progressives have none. Hell, they're afraid of guns for ****s sake. When the words have been said - all they know is run to the nearest rock and hide under it.

The feds have plenty and a lot of power, whether you agree or not.

Your issue is that you want to pidgeonhole groups into particular ways of thinking. "If you approve of/support same sex marriage, you are a progressive, and therefore are anti-gun, pro-Obama/Gore, etc.", no matter the truth that people are way more diverse in their beliefs/support than this and you are highly naive if you cannot recognize this.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

1.)Do you know what the **** authoritarian means or in which context is should be used?

2.)Your posts are classic...

1.) yes we do, facts prove you do not
2.) they are they classically prove your posts wrong.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

But you just said stayed.

The state does not recognize them because of the law.

Current marriages have been stayed. Many have already been performed. Those were done prior to any stay in the marriages now in place. There was nothing illegal about performing those marriages and therefore those marriages are valid marriages. They cannot be voided.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Do you know what the **** authoritarian means or in which context is should be used?

Your posts are classic...

Can you make a post with out using the word ****? And yes I know what authoritarianism is I also know what the tyranny of the majority is.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

But you just said stayed.

The state does not recognize them because of the law.

No, the stay prevents any MORE marriages from happening, it does not invalidate ones that have already taken place.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

No, the stay prevents any MORE marriages from happening, it does not invalidate ones that have already taken place.

Because those marriages are not legal during the stay, sure. Which means, the other ones are not either.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Because those marriages are not legal during the stay, sure. Which means, the other ones are not either.

No, because it is recognized that the ruling is being challenged. It does not recognize the law as valid, only that allowing further actions based on the ruling to happen can complicate the future rulings. It is common in many rulings. The ruling is still valid and means that those other marriages are still legal marriages until a future ruling, based solely on the validity of those marriages that got in prior to the stay is made.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The feds have plenty and a lot of power, whether you agree or not.

Your issue is that you want to pidgeonhole groups into particular ways of thinking. "If you approve of/support same sex marriage, you are a progressive, and therefore are anti-gun, pro-Obama/Gore, etc.", no matter the truth that people are way more diverse in their beliefs/support than this and you are highly naive if you cannot recognize this.

I could care less about the issue being discussed - I'm on a different level than that.

The feds shouldn't be sticking their dick where it doesn't belong....

The feds can't do a damn thing....

If a governor told the feds to **** off the feds wouldn't know what to do - especially Obama.... They'd file lawsuits which would be moot considering they would still be in denial about what "**** off" means...

Seriously, the feds couldn't do ****..
 
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