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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What can the government actually do to prevent that?

War??? lol.

The answer to this question was resolved about a hundred and fifty years ago.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

As of right now, it isn't. The court ruled to make the laws that would make same sex marriages illegal to enter into invalid, so that means it was legal for those couples to enter into marriage when they did.

Except the law states they do not recognize them.

The answer to this question was resolved about a hundred and fifty years ago.

Except that will not occur today.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

wheres a womans right not to be raped come from? is that in the constitution? :)

Exactly. There are so many things that are not covered by the Constitution specifically, yet are covered by the intent of the Constitution as a whole, and particularly the intent of the Bill of Rights and many of the subsequent Amendments.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Except the law states they do not recognize them.

A law deemed invalid and unenforceable by a court, and that is the most recent ruling.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

A law deemed invalid and unenforceable by a court, and that is the most recent ruling.

That law is valid as of right now.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

That law is valid as of right now.

No it isn't. The higher court simply ruled that the marriages could not be conducted until the next court makes a ruling. The court did not rule that the law itself was valid. As of right now, the law is not valid. And that was absolutely true when those people entered into their marriages.
 
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No it doesn't have to. Interracial marriage is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Segregation is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Jim Crow laws were not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Sodomy was not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

The problem is that too many people think that the Constitution is supposed to mention every right specifically that it protects. It isn't. The entire point of the Constitution is to limit the powers of government from taking away rights. And the 14th Amendment ensured that the Constitution, particularly the rights of the citizens are protected from state governments taking rights from the people.

True, interracial marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution, nor is sodomy - both those were not within the federal court's original grant of powers to adjudicate. Marriage and sexual behaviors, that's up to the states according to the constitution. Jim Crow laws are indeed addressed by amendment. And the tenth protects the people from exactly the conditions the feds have misused the 14th to engineer.
 
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Except that will not occur today.

No. Because nobody is actually going to attempt secession. But if they did, similar results are to be expected.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

C'mon, don't jump the shark. At the extreme, Utah could be treated just like every other Indian reservation operating within the US. How would the seceded state make one dollar when their exports and imports would be controlled. Last I looked Utah is land locked.

And who is going to control that?

You think the federal government could actually get away with giving a state like Utah (for example) the Cuba treatment?

These clowns cant even keep illegal aliens out of the country.... What are they going to do secure the Utah borders?

Not to mention Utah (of all places) does way more for the economy than the federal government does...

Our federal government cant do anything - they just act and idiot politicians obey.

An angry mob could coup this government in a matter of days - that is how inept they are.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

No. Because nobody is actually going to attempt secession. But if they did, similar results are to be expected.

Id actually like to see a bunch of idiots try this, it be so funny to see them try it over equal rights and watching them loose. it would be a good riddance or waste in america.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

And who is going to control that?

You think the federal government could actually get away with giving a state like Utah (for example) the Cuba treatment?

These clowns cant even keep illegal aliens out of the country.... What are they going to do secure the Utah boarders?

Not to mention Utah (of all places) does way more for the economy than the federal government does...

Our federal government cant do anything - they just act and idiot politicians obey.

An angry mob could coup this government in a matter of days - that is how inept they are.

All I can do at this point is disagree with you. In the end, every state bowed to the 55mph speed limit, even the ones where the policy cost them money (Hawaii is a good example). And that was simply from the withdrawl of highway funding alone.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

No it isn't. The higher court simply ruled that the marriages could not be conducted until the next court makes a ruling. The court did not rule that the law itself was valid. As of right now, the law is not valid. And that was absolutely true when those people entered into their marriages.

**** the courts....

The courts don't have any damn right circumventing the Bill of Rights (which they have been doing since democrats turned into authoritarian "progressives")...
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

No it isn't. The higher court simply ruled that the marriages could not be conducted until the next court makes a ruling. The court did not rule that the law itself was valid. As of right now, the law is not valid. And that was absolutely true when those people entered into their marriages.

But it is. The law is valid until the stay is removed, or the law is ruled unconstitutional by the 10th and if the 10th does not put the ruling on hold for the SCOTUS certiori, or if SCOTUS grants a stay also.

But if they did, similar results are to be expected.

No, that will not occur today.
 
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**** the courts....

The courts don't have any damn right circumventing the Bill of Rights (which they have been doing since democrats turned into authoritarian "progressives")...

and what makes your interpretation of the constitution superior to that of the supreme court or other federal courts?
 
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I love the fear that is brought on by equal rights, this fear is is brought on because they know the end is near and equal rights is winning. Bigotry and or discrimination is lossing and its scary to those who want it and support it.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

I celebrate the loss of bigotry where I find it. I also mourn the loss of our constitutional government. Throwing out one to achieve the other is a fool's errand.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

All I can do at this point is disagree with you. In the end, every state bowed to the 55mph speed limit, even the ones where the policy cost them money (Hawaii is a good example). And that was simply from the withdrawl of highway funding alone.

That's kinda funny because here in Illinois they jacked the speed limit up to 70, here 55 is the "slow lane."

You can disagree all you like. This is what makes the United States great.

But at any rate - the feds can do absolutely NOTHING if you disobey their stupidity..... They're like the UN, and what happens when we go against the UN??? nothing but a bunch of crying and threats...

In the end all the feds can say to Utah is "well we disagree."

Utah can do whatever it wants and the feds can go pound sand.

This isn't Selma, Alabama, despite the fact GLAAD (or however you spell it) wants it to be.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

**** the courts....

The courts don't have any damn right circumventing the Bill of Rights (which they have been doing since democrats turned into authoritarian "progressives")...

What is authoritarian about gays getting married?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

This is the Roberts GOP court.
Preceded by the Rehnquist GOP court.
How do DEM progress--ives get blamed for the courts ? :lamo:lamo
**** the courts....

The courts don't have any damn right circumventing the Bill of Rights (which they have been doing since democrats turned into authoritarian "progressives")...
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

But it is. The law is valid until the stay is removed, or the law is ruled unconstitutional by the 10th and if the 10th does not put the ruling on hold for the SCOTUS certiori, or if SCOTUS grants a stay also.



No, that will not occur today.

Yes, the United States absolutely would use military force to ensure it maintained control over its assets.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

What is authoritarian about gays getting married?

Attacking my right to decide other peoples' rights for them!
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

This is the Roberts GOP court.
Preceded by the Rehnquist GOP court.
How do DEM progress--ives get blamed for the courts ? :lamo:lamo

Because the the failure of the SCOTUS precedes the recent courts. The progressive Living Document crap came decades ago.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

That's kinda funny because here in Illinois they jacked the speed limit up to 70, here 55 is the "slow lane."

You can disagree all you like. This is what makes the United States great.

But at any rate - the feds can do absolutely NOTHING if you disobey their stupidity..... They're like the UN, and what happens when we go against the UN??? nothing but a bunch of crying and threats...

In the end all the feds can say to Utah is "well we disagree."

Utah can do whatever it wants and the feds can go pound sand.

This isn't Selma, Alabama, despite the fact GLAAD (or however you spell it) wants it to be.

So we're super authoritarian but the fed doesn't actually do anything to prevent your actions. That's... interesting.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Yes, the United States absolutely would use military force to ensure it maintained control over its assets.

Absolutely not.
 
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I celebrate the loss of bigotry where I find it. I also mourn the loss of our constitutional government. Throwing out one to achieve the other is a fool's errand.

As far as I'm concerned the government shouldn't be involved in the marriage business. Theoretically they're not considering marriage is nothing more than a contract - which is what angers me even more about the gays. There is absolutely nothing stopping them from signing civil contracts... This whole plight by them is nothing more than a plight of "social acceptance" which is goofy considering no one can force another to accept an idea.... I don't care much for peas, yet you can shove peas down my throat all day and that still wont make me like peas, but at the same time I don't give a **** if others like peas or of others grow peas.... To each his own....
 
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