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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

roguenuke said:
The state does discriminate and deep down you do support at least a very basic form of it because you support children being forced to be under the control of their parents
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I do not support state discrimination at all. Not on any case. None.
 
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Cardinal said:
That sure looks like what you said to me. If it isn't feel free to clarify.
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Let me clear it up for you. Saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex and saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex that is the same race as they are is not the same.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Sorry, can't agree with that. Our Constitution is there to protect our rights, especially from the federal government. If you are out there pushing for more federal power just because it's an issue you agree with, you might end up in a place you don't want to be in when they use that power against you.
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Those are the exact same words the racists used when opposing bi-racial marriage.

Did you ever tell us which of your rights was being abused? I hope it's different than the racists' claims. Let's hear it, I'll let you know.

The Loving vs. VA decision wasnt about people liking it or not liking it...it was about someone's civil rights.
 
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Anthony60 said:
That is such a warped, strange answer that has nothing to do with anything.
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No, she's referring to how far you have to take an argument and contort it, in an attempt to try and make your point. To a ridiculous extreme which should be an indication to you that your argument really isnt valid.
 
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scatt said:
I do not support state discrimination at all. Not on any case. None.
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Sure, keep telling yourself that. Pretty sure this isn't true, no matter what you think.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Let me clear it up for you. Saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex and saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex that is the same race as they are is not the same.
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Except the logic you used for one argument can equally be applied to the other.
 
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AGENT J said:
nope wrong again its a check and balance they both do this with out the fed the constitution would be meaningless

fact remains the state cant violate individual rights so its being fixed
theres nothing in my post that gives the fed more power this strawman of yours is a complete failure.

NOTHING is changing the fed and for that matter in theses cases the SSCs are doing their jobs
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I see what the problem is. You think that the the federal government can step in whenever it wants to fix something. Actually, they can't. They have to have that power granted by the Constitution.

Also, the federal government is not on an equal playing field with the Constitution. It is controlled by the Constitution, which was created by the states. The states created the federal government and the Constitution, and may get rid of both or either if enough states decide to do so.
 
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Anthony60 said:
1.)I see what the problem is. You think that the the federal government can step in whenever it wants to fix something. Actually, they can't. They have to have that power granted by the Constitution.

2.) Also, the federal government is not on an equal playing field with the Constitution. It is controlled by the Constitution, which was created by the states. The states created the federal government and the Constitution, and may get rid of both or either if enough states decide to do so.
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1.) nope you would be wrong again i didnt even hint at such an absurd suggestion. Yet another failed strawman posted by you.
any other failed arguments you want to present?

2.) good thing i never suggested this either

fact remains the state cant violate individual rights so its being fixed
theres nothing in my post that gives the fed more power this strawman of yours is a complete failure.

NOTHING is changing the fed and for that matter in theses cases the SSCs are doing their jobs

let me know when you can present any facts to change this
 
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Anthony60 said:
Let me clear it up for you. Saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex and saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex that is the same race as they are is not the same.
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actually it is, they are both civil/equal/human rights issues and this is why your example got destroyed.
Facts, rights, court cases, laws and court precedence all prove this and all prove your post wrong.
 
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AGENT J said:
actually it is, they are both civil/equal/human rights issues and this is why your example got destroyed.
Facts, rights, court cases, laws and court precedence all prove this and all prove your post wrong.
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Wow, now I know what happened to Bahgdad Bob! It's you! Have a good day.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Wow, now I know what happened to Bahgdad Bob! It's you! Have a good day.
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translation:you cant defend you failed post. Let us know when you can
 
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Anthony60 said:
I see what the problem is. You think that the the federal government can step in whenever it wants to fix something. Actually, they can't. They have to have that power granted by the Constitution.

Also, the federal government is not on an equal playing field with the Constitution. It is controlled by the Constitution, which was created by the states. The states created the federal government and the Constitution, and may get rid of both or either if enough states decide to do so.
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LOLOL

I just realized you dont even know what's going on if you are blaming this on the federal govt...or fearing they are overstepping. The FEDS arent stepping into anything. The people and the states are trying to legalize SSM. When *challenged* (if challenged)....then the courts may end up looking to the fed level SCOTUS to make a decision based on *existing Constitutional law.*

The feds didnt go looking for this. As a matter of fact, under pressure (IMO), they were pushed to dismantle DOMA.

Based on the way they have been interpreting several amendments that have been listed here for you, SSM is being examined on sexual orientation and gender-based discrimination. EXISTING law.
 
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AGENT J said:
translation:you cant defend you failed post. Let us know when you can
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I posted a very understandable, logical statement. Very easy to read, actually. You posted some mangled, disjointed stream of consciousness and think you just unified quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity.

I really can't help you when you are going to use your own brand of logic. Fortunately, I've dealt with your type enough that this is no big surprise.
 
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scatt said:
The parents got them the jobs, not the other way around.

Child labor laws were enacted to help eliminate the massive state of socialism.
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winston53660 said:
Where do you come up with these things?
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That was a pretty amazing statement Scatt made... wow.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I posted a very understandable, logical statement. Very easy to read, actually. You posted some mangled, disjointed stream of consciousness and think you just unified quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity.

I really can't help you when you are going to use your own brand of logic. Fortunately, I've dealt with your type enough that this is no big surprise.
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still got nothing to support your failed claim i see, let us know when you do.
simply post ONE single fact that supports your failed claim instead of dodging this task and trying to deflect with failed insults lol

ONE fact that supports your failed post is all we need.
 
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scatt said:
The parents got them the jobs, not the other way around.

Child labor laws were enacted to help eliminate the massive state of socialism.
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The internet: providing WTFery since 1990.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
I see what the problem is. You think that the the federal government can step in whenever it wants to fix something. Actually, they can't. They have to have that power granted by the Constitution.

Also, the federal government is not on an equal playing field with the Constitution. It is controlled by the Constitution, which was created by the states. The states created the federal government and the Constitution, and may get rid of both or either if enough states decide to do so.
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And the constitution demands equal protection under the law, and the states are bound by that. You are defending the existence of an unconstitutional law under the guise of states rights.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
Let me clear it up for you. Saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex and saying anyone can marry someone of the opposite sex that is the same race as they are is not the same.
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Why is the logic not the same? "Everyone is free to marry someone of the same race" was an argument for interracial marriage bans. That logic was rejected.

You are saying "everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite gender." Why is this acceptable with gender and not race? It's not enough to just declare it's "not the same."
 
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Deuce said:
Why is the logic not the same? "Everyone is free to marry someone of the same race" was an argument for interracial marriage bans. That logic was rejected.

You are saying "everyone is free to marry someone of the opposite gender." Why is this acceptable with gender and not race? It's not enough to just declare it's "not the same."
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You brought up the race factor and are using it as a basis to redefine marriage to include, not a race component, but a gender component. Namely, to expand it to include same sex. Race has nothing to do with it, yet you feel it does. The correlation is weak, at best.

And I'll say again, I don't think that our federal government has the power to intervene here, it is a state issue.
 
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AGENT J said:
still got nothing to support your failed claim i see, let us know when you do.
simply post ONE single fact that supports your failed claim instead of dodging this task and trying to deflect with failed insults lol

ONE fact that supports your failed post is all we need.
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Come up with something new, factual, or interesting please. You are beginning to bore the hell out of me.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
You brought up the race factor and are using it as a basis to redefine marriage to include, not a race component, but a gender component. Namely, to expand it to include same sex. Race has nothing to do with it, yet you feel it does. The correlation is weak, at best.

And I'll say again, I don't think that our federal government has the power to intervene here, it is a state issue.
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In other words, you have a personal definition of marriage that you don't want to change despite the fact that it already had. Marriage already includes same sex couples, whether you approve or not. You do not own the definition of marriage. You do not own the right to tell others that they cannot legally be involved in marriage because you think that it is only between two people of the opposite sex.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

roguenuke said:
you have a personal definition of marriage
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His existence does not alter the fact that only very recently, and for political reasons, has marriage ever been claimed to mean same sex, and certainly not federally.
 
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scatt said:
His existence does not alter the fact that only very recently, and for political reasons, has marriage ever been claimed to mean same sex, and certainly not federally.
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First, all such changes are political in nature. Second, something being political has no bearing on whether or not that change is morally right.
 
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