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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

You are against discrimination by the state. Currently states discriminated against kids by not letting them drive. Therefore, you are ok with 5 yr olds driving.

Sounds like a bad parenting issue.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Sounds like a bad parenting issue.


ROFL!!! you do love repeating yourself, don't you? around and around and around. Do you ever get dizzy?

Not playing with you anymore; got a book to read. Have fun chasing your tail!
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Supporting the state banning or enforcing discrimination in marriage or anything else is supporting state discrimination. I do not support state discrimination.

I think that instead you've just tried to create yourself a definition wherein you actually support discrimination on part of the State but can try to claim that you don't.

As I said, this is nothing more than simple logic.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

I have no problem with private discrimination.

That isn't private discrimination. It is enforced and in fact required by the government, the state. It is not private discrimination. It is absolutely public discrimination based on age. A 5 year old has no chance of succeeding in petitioning the state for complete control of and responsibility for their actions, especially if their is no actual flaw in the parenting of the child. Even a 10 year old doesn't stand a chance. Most 15 or 16 year olds could not be granted emancipation from their parents just because they want it. That is state enforced discrimination.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

support discrimination

Again, I do not support state discrimination. And I do not need to support any state policy for this to occur.

got a book to read

Fiction?

That isn't private discrimination. It is enforced and in fact required by the government, the state. It is not private discrimination. It is absolutely public discrimination based on age. A 5 year old has no chance of succeeding in petitioning the state for complete control of and responsibility for their actions, especially if their is no actual flaw in the parenting of the child. Even a 10 year old doesn't stand a chance. Most 15 or 16 year olds could not be granted emancipation from their parents just because they want it. That is state enforced discrimination.

You are not talking about parents?
 
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actually, no, not this time - a book by Chris Kluwe, an NFL punter who came out strongly in favor of SSM (even though he's straight) and was hassled pretty badly for it. It's called "Beautifully Unique Sparkleponies" ; you and others might want to try it. He has some pretty compelling arguments for how he feels, and he discusses more than just SSM.

Has a nice segment on why is he paid so much when teachers aren't; worth reading.

back to it!
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

actually, no, not this time - a book by Chris Kluwe, an NFL punter who came out strongly in favor of SSM

When did his book come out and when was he fired? Are they close together?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Cool for you?

Sure. It's just a reflection of your discussion.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Sounds like a bad parenting issue.

Sounds like an inability to reject or affirm her statement.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

He released a book one month after being fired by "cowards and a "bigot"? That sounds like a wonderful way to get people to buy your book.

You think he wrote, published, printed, and shipped a book in a month?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

he wrote, published, printed, and shipped a book in a month

He released it at that time because he was fired. Easy way to make money.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

He released it at that time because he was fired. Easy way to make money.

So he wrote a book he wasn't going to publish but then got fired so decided to publish?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

wasn't going to publish

Why do you think this?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Why do you think this?

I don't. You seem to. He can't have started the book and finished everything in a month, so he had to have started the book much earlier. When do you think he was originally planning on publishing?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

You are not talking about parents?

A 5 year old or 10 year old cannot sign their own contracts, no matter how much freedom or independence a parent may wish to give them. In fact, the same is true for even older children for the most part. A parent cannot decide that their child should be allowed to work at the age of 15 for 40 hours a week in most states, even if their child is capable of doing so. By law, they are not of legal age to take care of themself, even if they have the physical capability to do so. So, no it is not about parenting but forced discrimination based on age.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

He released it at that time because he was fired. Easy way to make money.

He has a history of doing things like this And I do not think he is looking to make money on it:

2011 NFL labor dispute[edit]
During the 2011 NFL lockout, the Boston Globe reported that an agreement between owners and the players' union was being held up by special considerations for a few top names,[8] Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Vincent Jackson, and Logan Mankins. Kluwe tweeted his frustration at this impasse, assailing their greed and calling them "douchebags."
After Nate Jackson wrote an article for the sport website Deadspin, excoriating Kluwe for talking "out of turn",[9] Kluwe responded with his own article, highlighting the contrast between his own fruitful career and Jackson's lack of statistics, while reiterating his opinion that four people endangering the livelihoods of the 1,900 affected by the dispute was "pretty much the definition of greed".[10]
Protest against Pro Football Hall of Fame[edit]
During a December 2012 game against Chicago Bears, Kluwe covered the Pro Football Hall of Fame patch on his uniform with a post-it note with a message "Vote Ray Guy" as a protest against the Hall's 50th Anniversary celebrations due to the lack of pure punters in the Hall.[11] Kluwe was fined $5,250 for a uniform violation by the NFL.

Chris Kluwe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pat Tillman was another I would put in the same league
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Why do you keep saying it?

Why do you keep editing out portions of posts that answer your question?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

And I've explained to you again and again that the courts have said that the discrimination is against homosexuals. This is true.

However, the tool used for that discrimination is a gender-based classification, not one of sexuality. It's really not that difficult. Defining a marriage as between one man and one woman is a gender-based classification, not a sexuality-based classification. The effect and intent of this, obviously, is discriminating against homosexuals.

Yeah, I wasn't talking to you. You had your chance and failed.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

The courts have not said anything about what I said. The laws are what we are talking about. The laws prevent two people of the same sex from getting married, no matter their sexuality. There is no sexuality question or test when it comes to marriage. Two homosexuals can get married, as long as they are of the opposite sex.

The reason the law discriminates mainly against homosexuals is because homosexuals are the main group that would want to marry someone of the same sex. However, that does not change the fact that the laws discriminate against everyone, not just homosexuals. I, as a heterosexual, am being discriminated against with the laws restricting marriage to only opposite sex couples because should I ever be in the position to choose to remarry in the future (for whatever reason), as of right now, I can only choose to marry a man because I am a woman. My gender, not my sexuality is restricting who I can marry.

OK, then why did you address me? You argued with me about what the courts have said. However, here, you agree with me that the courts didn't see it your way.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

In this instance, the federal government is taking away a state's right to decide how they are going to treat marriage.


You are referring to 1967 right? Loving v. Virginia where the SCOTUS found Civil Marriage was subject to Constitutional guarantees?

States had laws against interracial marriage, they were ruled unconstitutional.


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Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Yeah, I wasn't talking to you. You had your chance and failed.

Yes, we know. You still think the law says "gay people can't get married." It doesn't say that. It says "a man cannot marry a man, and a woman cannot marry a woman." And you still think the court decisions claim the law says the second one.
 
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