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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
Because they continue to claim the US was a democracy ever.
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:roll: ok. It's a conspiracy to push aside a word for no reason.

So have you identified an important state interest yet or are you still on the authoritarian notion that equal protection is a burden on the state so should be cast aside?
 
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Deuce said:
So have you identified an important state interes
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State interest is authoritarian. Are you confused?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
State interest is authoritarian. Are you confused?
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Laws about marriage are authoritarian ?
 
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scatt said:
State interest is authoritarian. Are you confused?
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So? Are you against any and all state activity?
 
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scatt said:
Laws regulating marriage are authoritarian, of course.
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Which law (s) are you talking about ? For example is the right to hospital visitation authoritarian ?
 
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winston53660 said:
Which law (s) are you talking about ? For example is the right to hospital visitation authoritarian ?
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What is stopping people from visiting?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
All authoritarian activities.



Laws regulating marriage are authoritarian, of course.
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But if any state interest of any kind is authoritarian, and you're against all authoritarian activities, you're against every state interest. Including national defense.
 
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Deuce said:
But if any state interest of any kind is authoritarian, and you're against all authoritarian activities, you're against every state interest. Including national defense.
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The funding of armies is quite authoritarian, and so it what they often do.
 
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scatt said:
The funding of armies is quite authoritarian, and so it what they often do.
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So, like I said, claiming to be an anarchist. :roll:
 
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Deuce said:
So, like I said, claiming to be an anarchist. :roll:
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No, anarchists claim they can do anything.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
What is stopping people from visiting?
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Hospital visitation was just an example. The question was which laws regulating marriage are authoritarian. I was hoping you could come up with an example. BTW families have been known to deny hospital visitation to people's significant others in the past.
 
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winston53660 said:
Hospital visitation was just an example. The question was which laws regulating marriage are authoritarian. I was hoping you could come up with an example. BTW families have been known to deny hospital visitation to people's significant others in the past.
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What law states a family can deny access to the hospital visitation?
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
No, anarchists claim they can do anything.
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No, anarchists claim there shouldn't be a state. Which is effectively your belief, because you believe a state shouldn't do anything.
 
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Deuce said:
No, anarchists claim there shouldn't be a state. Which is effectively your belief, because you believe a state shouldn't do anything.
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Again, that is where the self-labeling part comes in. The things they support require a state.
 
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scatt said:
I said they are things that are part of government recognition of Civil Marriage. Personally I like being able to have my spouse on my employer health insurance, I like being able to transfer property to my wife without it being subject to taxes, I like the fact that when I die if she needs to sell the house she can sell it and take the married exemption ($500,000) verses having only the single exemption ($250,000), I like the fact that when I die we can be buried together in a Veterans cemetery, I like the fact that she is my family next-of-kin by default in case I'm incapacitated and cannot make decisions for myself, and I like the fact that when Uncle Same said "Son, your going to Japan for the next 4 years" that they moved her with me and provided Command Sponsorship under the Status of Forces agreement for an accompanied tour. Since she often put her career on hold for us to be assigned to different places together I like the fact that she will receive part of my Social Security and Military Pension when I die.
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Those can all be accomplished without a state.
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Since all of them (minus Employer Health Insurance) involves the state, not they cannot be duplicated without state involvement.

Taxes - government recognition

Veterans Burial - government recognition

Legal Next of Kin be default - government recognition

Social Security - government

Military Survivor Benefit - government

Military Change of Station Orders - government

Immigration - government



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scatt said:
What is stopping people from visiting?
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When the patient is awake and competent nothing.

When the patient has been in an accident hospitals only allow next-of-kin to visit in the ICU and to make medical decisions. Civil Marriage establishes the spouse as next-of-kin and provides that without prior medical documentation, that the spouse is the one that makes life and death decisions.


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WorldWatcher said:
When the patient is awake and competent nothing.

When the patient has been in an accident hospitals only allow next-of-kin to visit in the ICU and to make medical decisions. Civil Marriage establishes the spouse as next-of-kin and provides that without prior medical documentation, that the spouse is the one that makes life and death decisions.
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The hospital came up with this or is it law?

winston53660 said:
Protecting Your Visitation & Decision-Making Rights | Resources | Human Rights Campaign

Okay now that is settled. What laws in regards to marriage are authoritarian ?
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What is your answer? Is there a law than bans family from hospital visitation?

WorldWatcher said:
Since all of them (minus Employer Health Insurance) involves the state, not they cannot be duplicated without state involvement.

Taxes - government recognition

Veterans Burial - government recognition

Legal Next of Kin be default - government recognition

Social Security - government

Military Survivor Benefit - government

Military Change of Station Orders - government

Immigration - government
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So state intervention will fix these problems of state intervention?
 
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scatt said:
So state intervention will fix these problems of state intervention?
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Can't answer, as again you call them "problems" - when they are not.

I'm simply pointing out that those things don't exist without government recognition of the establishment of a next-of-kin relationship, what we in reality call Civil Marriage recognition of a "Spouse".


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WorldWatcher said:
Can't answer, as those are not "problems".

I'm simply pointing out that those things don't exist without government recognition of the establishment of a next-of-kin relationship, what we in reality call Civil Marriage recognition of a "Spouse".
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Except relation is irrelevant of the state.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
Except relation is irrelevant of the state.
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Not when it comes to legal matters, then relation is very relevant.


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Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

scatt said:
The hospital came up with this or is it law?



What is your answer? Is there a law than bans family from hospital visitation?



So state intervention will fix these problems of state intervention?
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Oh dear dear I'm totally convinced you don't know wtf you are talking about much less what an authoritarian law is.
 
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digsbe said:
Yeah, because turning the 66% of voters that voted to put traditional marriage as the definition of marriage for their state into second class citizens and saying their right to vote and the states ability to define marriage for itself made an "irrational" decision is "cool."

It's not cool, it's sick and such a massive injustice against freedom and human rights. Regardless of your stance on SSM, this is wrong on so many levels.
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Equal rights > majority rule.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

winston53660 said:
Oh dear dear I'm totally convinced you don't know wtf you are talking about much less what an authoritarian law is.
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I asked you if there is a law regarding hospital visitation.

WorldWatcher said:
Not when it comes to legal matters, then relation is very relevant.
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Except when it comes to the state?
 
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