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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage[W:780]

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clownboy said:
Meaningless until the SCOTUS takes one of the cases and gives a clear ruling either way.
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Trust me.....you aren't going to like the outcome.....
 
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clownboy said:
You don't live in my state nor do you have enough support of your fellow citizens to do so. Not a hard concept to understand.
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No, the real reason is that I don't have the right to vote down your marriage in the first place. I don't have the right to pass unconstitutional laws, it doesn't matter how many of my fellow citizens really, really want to violate the constitution.
 
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disneydude said:
Trust me.....you aren't going to like the outcome.....
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I don't trust you on this, you're way too invested in your team win to care how it is done. And I already don't like the outcome (if you weren't such a fanboy you wouldn't either), a SCOTUS that has gone more evasive and rogue with every decision.
 
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clownboy said:
Meaningless until the SCOTUS takes one of the cases and gives a clear ruling either way.
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No, if a federal district court fails to uphold the ban, and SCOTUS doesn't take the case, the original ruling stands and the ban is overturned in Utah.
 
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clownboy said:
That means nothing but that the state gets to keep the filing fee.
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Oh...it absolutely does mean a lot. If the court has to rule on it...it places the state in a very difficult position when marriages have already occurred. Courts are even more reluctant to take void marriages that have already been granted. Which is why the bigots are desperate to try to get a stay before too many marriage licenses are issued.
 
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clownboy said:
You do when they're not rights, or when they are rights granted solely by the states.
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Marriage is a right. :shrug:
 
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By the way, Disneydude, you've gotten the last blue state you're going to get ;)
 
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I love the fact that Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker said that he is willing to work all night to marry any person who wants to get a marriage license today. What an awesome public servant!
 
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Bahahah the ruling tosses out a couple middle fingers to Justice Scalia. In his Windsor and Lawrence dissents, Scalia rants about a slippery slope of terrible gay rights. This judge concurs with Scalia's slippery slope. "Yep, no reason to deny these rights now!"

The Honorable Antonin Scalia recognized that this result was the logical outcome of the Court’s ruling in Windsor:

...the real rationale of today’s opinion...is that DOMA is motivated by “bare...desire to harm” couples in same-sex marriages. How easy it is, indeed how inevitable, to reach the same conclusion with regard to state laws denying same-sex couples marital status.
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The court therefore agrees with the portion of Justice Scalia’s dissenting opinion in Lawrence

...what justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples exercising “the liberty protected bythe Constitution”?
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And, as Justice Scalia has noted in dissent, “‘preserving the traditional institution of marriage’ is just a kinder way of describing the State’s moral disapproval of same-sex couples.”
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This is my favorite ruling ever.
 
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I lived in Utah for 25 years before moving to California. Never thought that I would see this day. Congratulations Utah. A great day for Utah and a great day for Freedom loving Americans across this great Country.
 
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digsbe said:
Yeah, because turning the 66% of voters that voted to put traditional marriage as the definition of marriage for their state into second class citizens and saying their right to vote and the states ability to define marriage for itself made an "irrational" decision is "cool."

It's not cool, it's sick and such a massive injustice against freedom and human rights. Regardless of your stance on SSM, this is wrong on so many levels.
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Civil rights should not be left up to a vote.
 
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Current line in Salt Lake City, people waiting to get marriage licenses. Mayor Ralph Becker said that he will work all night to make sure everyone who wants to get married can take advantage of this ruling.
 
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Kobie said:
Civil rights should not be left up to a vote.
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Exactly. If they were up to votes, then inter-racial marriages would not have been legalized in the 60s.
 
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clownboy said:
You do when they're not rights, or when they are rights granted solely by the states.
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Marriage is not a right but because *the govt* (state and fed) provides benefits, privileges, and legal protections for marriage, it is discrimination to deny gays the right to marriage.
 
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Lursa said:
Marriage is not a right but because *the govt* (state and fed) provides benefits, privileges, and legal protections for marriage, it is discrimination to deny gays the right to marriage.
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Actually...its both. The USSC recognized marriage as a fundamental right in Loving v. Virginia. It also, however, implicates due process and equal protection as well. Discriminatory state action is not per se Unconstitutional. If the state has a legitimate state interest in the discriminatory treatment, the law will be upheld. The problem for marriage equality opponents is that they have not been able to frame a legitimate state interest in denying gay people the right to marry.
 
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disneydude said:
Actually...its both. The USSC recognized marriage as a fundamental right in Loving v. Virginia. It also, however, implicates due process and equal protection as well. Discriminatory state action is not per se Unconstitutional. If the state has a legitimate state interest in the discriminatory treatment, the law will be upheld. The problem for marriage equality opponents is that they have not been able to frame a legitimate state interest in denying gay people the right to marry.
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Yeah but I dont like it, lol. But yes I am aware of that.

I dont believe the govt should be involved in marriage at all.
 
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You know...those missionaries that have to be room mates and eat together, sleep in the same room, read, ride bikes, iron those short sleeved shirts, and go door to door spreading their magical plates and Joseph Smith and Kolob nonsense...well, they spend a lot of time together....knowhutImean?

It's OK guys, you can go back to BYU and get married, but the question is, if two LDS guys get married, which one gets the secret name at the temple wedding? Because, traditionally, if the man dies first, he calls up his wife to Kolob when she dies, by her secret name (if the wife dies first, she basically is in Mormon limbo, hoping that the hubby dies and remembers her name). Do they both get secret names, can either of them go to Kolob and then colonize their own planet?

LDS = Scientology + 100 years.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

clownboy said:
It'll be quicly overturned by another federal judge. This is the first judge's attempt to give SCOTUS a case to rule on. Transparent. SCOTUS won't pick this one up either.
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I'm not sure about this ruling being overturned. The judge has written a very well thought out, well documented, and thorough decision in this case.
 
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disneydude said:
The bigots of America are desperately clinging to the last vestiges of discrimination...its actually very enjoyable to watch.
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I find your name calling a bit offensive. People in this country are allowed to have religious beliefs and faiths, not to be diminished by the ignorant, intolerant views of the leftist that feel a need to dump their hate on us.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I find your name calling a bit offensive. People in this country are allowed to have religious beliefs and faiths, not to be diminished by the ignorant, intolerant views of the leftist that feel a need to dump their hate on us.
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So long as you're not interfering in the rights and happiness and general equality of those who don't agree with your take on your religion, then you're not a bigot and therefore not included in disneydude's comment. If you are that kind of intolerant, then it shouldn't be offensive for you to be called what you are. If you are and don't want to be recognized as one, I suggest you stop being one. If you are not one, and have tolerance for those not just like you, then don't include yourself in posts about others.
 
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Summerwind said:
So long as you're not interfering in the rights and happiness and general equality of those who don't agree with your take on your religion, then you're not a bigot and therefore not included in disneydude's comment. If you are that kind of intolerant, then it shouldn't be offensive for you to be called what you are. If you are and don't want to be recognized as one, I suggest you stop being one. If you are not one, and have tolerance for those not just like you, then don't include yourself in posts about others.
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Sorry, but you don't have the right to tell me what the limits of my religious beliefs are. And they certainly don't interfere with anyone else's rights. And please, don't push that B.S. on me about equality. It's not equality. It's changing the definition of marriage for political gain. And really, it's time to shut up with the preaching of the B.S. In other words, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
 
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Deuce said:
How about "you don't get to vote on somebody else's rights, Utah ****nuts."

A voter's reasons for wanting an unconstitutional law aren't relevant.
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Because why, according to the court, Deuce? It discriminated against homosexuals.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Sorry, but you don't have the right to tell me what the limits of my religious beliefs are. And they certainly don't interfere with anyone else's rights. And please, don't push that B.S. on me about equality. It's not equality. It's changing the definition of marriage for political gain. And really, it's time to shut up with the preaching of the B.S. In other words, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Well then if you're going to act like a bigot, then expect to be recognized as one. Deal with it.
 
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Good for that Utah judge.

National, legalized same-sex marriage is inevitable.
 
Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Anthony60 said:
Sorry, but you don't have the right to tell me what the limits of my religious beliefs are. And they certainly don't interfere with anyone else's rights. And please, don't push that B.S. on me about equality. It's not equality. It's changing the definition of marriage for political gain. And really, it's time to shut up with the preaching of the B.S. In other words, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
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We have the right to tell you whatever we want to tell you. It's called Free Speech.

Sucks if you don't like it
 
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