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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Because it wasn't a marriage. You yourself show how powerful that word is.

    Civil unions didn't get them federal benefits, social security survivorship, etc. Can I call my civil union spouse Husband or do I have to come up with a new term?

    You want to set up a whole new system called "civil unions" that's parallel to marriage but exactly identical to it. WHY? why would you set up two sets of laws, exactly the same, and just called different things? Why duplicate it? What a waste of time and energy.

    We tried "separate but equal" - doesn't work.
    So civil unions are not what I proposed? Why are you telling me about them?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So civil unions are not what I proposed? Why are you telling me about them?
    Scatt, this whole thread I've had no idea WHAT you've been proposing. You tell me what you propose. Do you propose a whole set of laws parallel but exactly the same as marriage laws that apply to same sex couples?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yep, but same is "equal."

    The state can and does discriminate based upon race.

    I am aware they want the word only.

    I didnt say anything about race, I said gender. And same and equal are not 'equal'. For example, men and women are NOT the same, but they are equal. 2+2=4 and 3+1=4.....the equations are not the same, but they are equal.

    And they dont only want 'the word.' They want all the same things that straight couples get from the govt when their marriage is recognized.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I didnt say anything about race, I said gender. And same and equal are not 'equal'. For example, men and women are NOT the same, but they are equal. 2+2=4 and 3+1=4.....the equations are not the same, but they are equal.

    And they dont only want 'the word.' They want all the same things that straight couples get from the govt when their marriage is recognized.
    Gender is also used to discriminate by the state.

    Equal as in they are both humans?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Scatt, this whole thread I've had no idea WHAT you've been proposing. You tell me what you propose. Do you propose a whole set of laws parallel but exactly the same as marriage laws that apply to same sex couples?
    Under the premise of the state must exist, then all the same "benefits, privileges, and legal protections," but they do not have to redefine marriage.

    If you are not proposing that premise be followed, then I support absolutely no state intervention into any marriage.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Under the premise of the state must exist, then all the same "benefits, privileges, and legal protections," but they do not have to redefine marriage.

    If you are not proposing that premise be followed, then I support absolutely no state intervention into any marriage.
    So you are proposing a "separate but equal system"

    I can't agree with you.

    Marriage has already been redefined; it's much easier to change the state and federal marriage definition to include SSM than to set up a whole system of laws for SSM couples. That last is actually a waste of time and effort and money.

    So if someone can get married when you don't like them, you'd rather throw out the whole institution than allow them into your playhouse? funny.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    So you are proposing a "separate but equal system"

    I can't agree with you.

    Marriage has already been redefined; it's much easier to change the state and federal marriage definition to include SSM than to set up a whole system of laws for SSM couples. That last is actually a waste of time and effort and money.

    So if someone can get married when you don't like them, you'd rather throw out the whole institution than allow them into your playhouse? funny.
    Like I said, you do not want anything but the name.

    If I am answering your premise that the state must exist then all the same "benefits, privileges, and legal protections," but they do not have to redefine marriage.

    If you are asking me without that premise, then I support absolutely no state intervention into any marriage.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Gender is also used to discriminate by the state.

    Equal as in they are both humans?
    The federal entity recognizes "all men are created equal" and that applies to women. You know, with the rights that you dont believe exist.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The federal entity recognizes "all men are created equal" and that applies to women. You know, with the rights that you dont believe exist.
    Rights do not exist.

    Does this apply to the arbitrary borders of the US, or are rights universal (real)?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Rights do not exist.

    Does this apply to the arbitrary borders of the US, or are rights universal (real)?
    The federal entity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This isn't true. The laws do not prevent all homosexuals from marrying. The laws prevent specific homosexual couples from being able to get legally married.
    I quoted again and again and again where the courts said exactly what I say they did.
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