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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    marriage does mean same sex
    Since when?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It ["Marriage"] means the same to same sex couples...and much of the rest of the US. So their expectations are the same.

    And since politics decided that straight couples get benefits, privileges, and legal protections....and then extended that to bi-racial couples...and previously removed them from polygamous marriages....then it seems relevant that politics be consistent in how they apply their considerable weight.
    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Politically.

    If it was called anything but marriage, and it came with all the "benefits, privileges, and legal protections," would they say yes or no?

    Except the state is involved, which means I am forced into their business through taxation, and other anti-property laws.
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    The federal entity in the United states
    Great. That is also the entity with a SCOTUS that decided that 'separate but equal' is not Constitutional. So they cannot discriminate based on gender when it comes to the benefits, privileges, and legal protections that they confer on marriage.

    So same sex couples have no need...nor desire... to call it anything besides marriage. And legally, as we are discovering state by state, no reason to call it anything else either.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They are not preventing anyone from marrying. You are describing something that is not a marriage.
    huh? sorry, I don't understand your comment here.

    OOOOH - maybe you're back to that "well, gay people can marry opposite sex people"

    The right to marry includes CHOOSING THE ONE YOU WANT TO MARRY. Not someone you don't want to marry.

    My friends who are in same sex marriages - it is a marriage, with a license from the state. How is that not a marriage?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Since when?
    Most of human history.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Great. That is also the entity with a SCOTUS that decided that 'separate but equal' is not Constitutional. So they cannot discriminate based on gender when it comes to the benefits, privileges, and legal protections that they confer on marriage.

    So same sex couples have no need...nor desire... to call it anything besides marriage. And legally, as we are discovering state by state, no reason to call it anything else either.
    Yep, but same is "equal."

    The state can and does discriminate based upon race.

    I am aware they want the word only.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Most of human history.
    Not in the slightest.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Exactly the same, yet one is not called marriage.

    It shouldn't matter if they care about the "benefits, privileges, and legal protections" and not the word. But, as you showed, the word is what is important to you and gays.

    The distinction is marriage never meant same sex.

    You specifically said they are broken, that is different.

    Believe me - to the people who entered into "civil unions" before they could marry - it is NOT the same thing.


    And no civil unions so far defined got them the same benefits, privileges and legal protections.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Believe me - to the people who entered into "civil unions" before they could marry - it is NOT the same thing.

    And no civil unions so far defined got them the same benefits, privileges and legal protections.
    If a civil union is not the same then it is not the same. Can you correlate that to my post?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Not in the slightest.
    Recorded history begs to differ. Same sex marriage was practiced in ancient Rome and in many other parts of the world.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, this pretty much ends any reason to debate the topic. This is an ooopsie moment for the left. Like in "A Few Good Men", where the General admitted he ordered the code red. The proverbial cat has just bolted from the bag!

    We are debating about gays getting the full rights of marriage, and then, ooops, they admit that they want marriage taken away as it is and their new version of marriage forced down everyone's throat, even if gays get all the benefits of marriage. They want to impose their will on everyone else. That is the leftist agenda. The big, oppressive government that our Constitution was made to prevent.

    "YOU'RE GOD D*MN RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!"
    Wow, hysterical much?

    Don't you understand how having same sex couples asking for the right to marry actually STRENGTHENS the whole institution? I mean, that's why some LGBT people - and progressives - didn't understand the fight to marry. Why would people want to enter that traditional institution, based on all those patriarchal assumptions, and buy into the whole 2 person, white picket fence, house in the suburbs thing?

    But the urge to marry is very powerful; that same sex couples want it just shows how much they buy into the tradition.

    No one is making YOU enter into a same sex marriage. So why is it imposing anyone's will on you? It doesn't cheapen your marriage to have more people join the institution. It actually strengthens the institution.

    Did allowing women to get the vote "cheapen" the institution of voting for men? was that redefining the right to vote? was that govt "shoving" something down the men's throats, who already had the right to vote? No - extending the franchise just reinforced its importance.

    Sorry you feel so threatened. Most of us don't.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    If a civil union is not the same then it is not the same. Can you correlate that to my post?
    Because it wasn't a marriage. You yourself show how powerful that word is.

    Civil unions didn't get them federal benefits, social security survivorship, etc. Can I call my civil union spouse Husband or do I have to come up with a new term?

    You want to set up a whole new system called "civil unions" that's parallel to marriage but exactly identical to it. WHY? why would you set up two sets of laws, exactly the same, and just called different things? Why duplicate it? What a waste of time and energy.

    We tried "separate but equal" - doesn't work.

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