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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I didn't say "destroyed" crayons. I said broken crayons. You are trying to work around the analogy because you know that it isn't fair. The broken crayons are completely usable and absolutely comparable to your suggestion.

    But how about this? What if a public school gave out Crayolas to certain kids, based on perhaps skin color or gender or eye color or hair color, and the other kids had to color with offbrand crayons because they didn't have the right skin color, gender, eye color, or hair color? Would it be fair?
    You didn't need to.

    If they simply called them cruyons you would be addressing me, but you are addressing a fictional scenario not brought up by me.

    The state already racially discriminates. Best for you to not bring that up.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Marriage is a federal right (see cases re prisoners who want to marry).

    So the question is - is there any compelling interest for the state to keep two particular people from marrying, even if they are of the same gender? If not, then you cannot deny them the right to marry.

    Federal constitution overrides states.
    They are not preventing anyone from marrying. You are describing something that is not a marriage.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your opinion on what is unconstitutional is duly rejected based on evidence that shows you have nothing to back up the allegation that the federal government is in any way taking any unconstitutional actions in the case of same sex marriage.
    Nothing, except for the Constitution that states any powers not given to the federal government rest with the states and the people. Since I have a Constitution and you don't, I duly reject your misguided opinion.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They are not preventing anyone from marrying. You are describing something that is not a marriage.
    They are preventing two individuals of the same gender from entering a particular type of private legal contract. Under the equal protection clause, a gender-based classification puts a requirement on the state to demonstrate an "important state interest" in that classification, and that the measure taken is "substantially related" to that interest. If they fail this test, the state action fails the test of constitutional scrutiny.

    Your arguing over a definition is irrelevant. This is how equal protection works in the United States. This is how the constitution works. You either need to provide that interest or you don't get to keep the law.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You didn't need to.

    If they simply called them cruyons you would be addressing me, but you are addressing a fictional scenario not brought up by me.

    The state already racially discriminates. Best for you to not bring that up.
    You began with the fictional scenario of having two different contracts that do the same thing with the exception of having one for opposite sex couples and the other for same sex couples.

    The question about the crayons was asked because you claimed "it shouldn't matter" as long as they are the same. The thing is, if they are called something different, then they are not the same. It may be petty, but it is still part of human nature to not feel you are being treated fairly if you are being given something viewed as less or different than someone else because of something like your sex, or race, or hair color, or eye color or any other characteristic. And make no mistake, when it comes to trying to rename marriage for same sex couples, it is a distinction being made based on sexes/genders, the relative sexes/genders of those wanting to enter into the contract.

    You have continually sidestepped the question, never answering it because you know I am right. You would view such discriminatory distribution of the crayons in either scenario I mentioned, as wrong and unfair, and if it were your children who were getting the broken or generic crayons because they weren't the right sex/gender or they didn't have the right hair color, eye color, or skin color, or perhaps because they had parents of the opposite sex rather than parents of the same sex, then you would likely be expressing that displeasure to the school, just as I absolutely would be if it were my children. In fact, I would complain if I found out about the unfair separation at all, whether my child was getting the good crayons or the "other" crayons.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nothing, except for the Constitution that states any powers not given to the federal government rest with the states and the people. Since I have a Constitution and you don't, I duly reject your misguided opinion.
    The Constitution supports me, not you. The SCOTUS supports me. The American majority, in fact, supermajority, supports me. You have nothing to support you except your personal opinion and a few misguided people that believe as you do, wrongly.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You began with the fictional scenario of having two different contracts that do the same thing with the exception of having one for opposite sex couples and the other for same sex couples.

    The question about the crayons was asked because you claimed "it shouldn't matter" as long as they are the same. The thing is, if they are called something different, then they are not the same. It may be petty, but it is still part of human nature to not feel you are being treated fairly if you are being given something viewed as less or different than someone else because of something like your sex, or race, or hair color, or eye color or any other characteristic. And make no mistake, when it comes to trying to rename marriage for same sex couples, it is a distinction being made based on sexes/genders, the relative sexes/genders of those wanting to enter into the contract.

    You have continually sidestepped the question, never answering it because you know I am right. You would view such discriminatory distribution of the crayons in either scenario I mentioned, as wrong and unfair, and if it were your children who were getting the broken or generic crayons because they weren't the right sex/gender or they didn't have the right hair color, eye color, or skin color, or perhaps because they had parents of the opposite sex rather than parents of the same sex, then you would likely be expressing that displeasure to the school, just as I absolutely would be if it were my children. In fact, I would complain if I found out about the unfair separation at all, whether my child was getting the good crayons or the "other" crayons.
    Exactly the same, yet one is not called marriage.

    It shouldn't matter if they care about the "benefits, privileges, and legal protections" and not the word. But, as you showed, the word is what is important to you and gays.

    The distinction is marriage never meant same sex.

    You specifically said they are broken, that is different.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Solution:

    Let people do whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone.



    Stop using logic. Stop stop stop. You're making sheeple heads hurt.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Solution:

    Let people do whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

    Stop using logic. Stop stop stop. You're making sheeple heads hurt.
    Removing the state is ideal, yes.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Removing the state is ideal, yes.
    It shouldn't have been a fed or state issue from the get-go.

    Freedom to do whatever the hell you want as long as you're not hurting anyone is basically what we stood for (past tense). Freedom to say what you want, freedom to own as many damn guns as you want, freedom to tell the law to get a damn warrant, you're innocent until proven guilty, worship whatever you want, marry whomever you'd like, etc etc etc etc etc. Live and let live. Why is this concept to difficult to grasp? Oh...power. I forgot.

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