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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The problem we have today is that the left tries to stretch and twist the words to get them to cover their left wing agenda. Equal protection means that everyone is treated the same. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Anyone can get married. Same sex people can not get married. It applies to all. Completely equal.
    Why not? Why not same sex couples?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    no reason
    Democrats have no reason, sure.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The problem we have today is that the left tries to stretch and twist the words to get them to cover their left wing agenda. Equal protection means that everyone is treated the same. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Anyone can get married. Same sex people can not get married. It applies to all. Completely equal.

    There is no federal power to force states to change the meaning of marriage. That power lies with the states. If the people of a state choose to change the meaning of marriage, so be it. Utah chose not to.

    I object to the federal government taking an unconstitutional action in this case.
    Marriage is a federal right (see cases re prisoners who want to marry).

    So the question is - is there any compelling interest for the state to keep two particular people from marrying, even if they are of the same gender? If not, then you cannot deny them the right to marry.

    Federal constitution overrides states.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    So the question is - is there any compelling interest for the state to keep two particular people from marrying
    The fact that marriage does not mean same sex, except when politically motivated.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The fact that marriage does not mean same sex, except when politically motivated.
    It means same sex to same sex couples...and much of the rest of the US. So their expectations are the same.

    And since politics decided that straight couples get benefits, privileges, and legal protections....and then extended that to bi-racial couples...and previously removed them from polygamous marriages....then it seems relevant that politics be consistent in how they apply their considerable weight.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The problem we have today is that the left tries to stretch and twist the words to get them to cover their left wing agenda. Equal protection means that everyone is treated the same. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Anyone can get married. Same sex people can not get married. It applies to all. Completely equal.

    There is no federal power to force states to change the meaning of marriage. That power lies with the states. If the people of a state choose to change the meaning of marriage, so be it. Utah chose not to.

    I object to the federal government taking an unconstitutional action in this case.
    It doesn't matter how you feel about it, the SCOTUS has consistently, for the last century held that the 14th covered much more than just "slaves" (which would actually be ex-slaves). You may not like it, but it is how our law works.

    Your opinion on what is unconstitutional is duly rejected based on evidence that shows you have nothing to back up the allegation that the federal government is in any way taking any unconstitutional actions in the case of same sex marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The fact that marriage does not mean same sex, except when politically motivated.
    Legal marriage is a contract. Gender has no place whatsoever in how legal marriage operates. Personal marriage is whatever each couple wants. It is plainly none of your business and easily encompasses same sex couples.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It means same sex to same sex couples...and much of the rest of the US. So their expectations are the same.

    And since politics decided that straight couples get benefits, privileges, and legal protections....and then extended that to bi-racial couples...and previously removed them from polygamous marriages....then it seems relevant that politics be consistent in how they apply their considerable weight.
    Politically.

    If it was called anything but marriage, and it came with all the "benefits, privileges, and legal protections," would they say yes or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Legal marriage is a contract. Gender has no place whatsoever in how legal marriage operates. Personal marriage is whatever each couple wants. It is plainly none of your business and easily encompasses same sex couples.
    Except the state is involved, which means I am forced into their business through taxation, and other anti-property laws.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Politically.

    If it was called anything but marriage, and it came with all the "benefits, privileges, and legal protections," would they say yes or no?
    I would disapprove and it would still be wrong, but it won't happen anyway so it will be marriage. You need to simply deal with it. Most attempts to call it something other than marriage have failed and in fact will likely be the basis of major lawsuits now that DOMA is dead when it comes to state laws that say as much. Overall, it is illogical and inefficient to have two different names for the same thing simply because some do not approve of the use of the word "marriage" when it comes to same sex couples. Those that do not approve of it just need to get over it. You/they do not own the word marriage nor whom it covers.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except the state is involved, which means I am forced into their business through taxation, and other anti-property laws.
    What state?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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