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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    A lot of conservative christians in the democrat stronghold of California?
    Plenty here. Just because you are unaware of this doesn't mean they don't exist. Pretty sure I live in the same neighborhood as a number of them here in San Diego (granted, most of the ones I live near likely aren't registered to vote here though). But considering here in this "democrat stronghold of California" my son's school has signs advertising that some church uses school property for their services pretty much throughout the year, I'd say it isn't nearly as much of a "heathen stronghold" as many wish to believe.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    A majority?
    The claim I made had nothing to do with there being a majority of Christians in the state of California, but rather that there is enough to have a significant influence when it comes to a vote on an issue. If there is a reduction in their numbers or simply a change in their beliefs on that one issue, then that would also affect how a vote on that issue turned out.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Excellent point!! "Love is in the Air"! and now I'm flashing back on the ending of "Strictly Ballroom" which we just watched again a few days ago - and there were same sex couples dancing in the big finale!

    Who would have thought we'd get to this point???? Pretty amazing!
    I have posted occasionally elsewhere that someday, we will look back at this political battle and be embarrassed that our society was so ignorant...even if unintentionally so...much like we do now looking back at those who chose to deny women and blacks equal rights...or to even consider them less or less deserving.

    I do not want to be part of the generation who 'prevented' gays from marrying and establishing their equal rights in our society. I dont want to look back and be embarrassed.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I'm not sure what you are saying. If you look at my post that you captioned and your response, they have nothing to do with one another.
    You claimed that marriage or same sex marriage laws were not part of the Constitution. They are covered by it, even if they are not specifically mentioned and the part is what I mentioned, EPC of the 14th.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The claim I made had nothing to do with there being a majority of Christians in the state of California, but rather that there is enough to have a significant influence when it comes to a vote on an issue. If there is a reduction in their numbers or simply a change in their beliefs on that one issue, then that would also affect how a vote on that issue turned out.
    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Plenty here. Pretty sure I live in the same neighborhood as a number of them here in San Diego (granted, most of the ones I live near likely aren't registered to vote here though). But considering here in this "democrat stronghold of California" my son's school has signs advertising that some church uses school property for their services pretty much throughout the year, I'd say it isn't nearly as much of a "heathen stronghold" as many wish to believe.
    7 million votes for prop 8, about 5 million registered republicans (some percentage are christian conservatives, some percentage are not, some percentage didn't even vote). At least 2 million democrats and independents were against it in a democrat windfall election.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You claimed that marriage or same sex marriage laws were not part of the Constitution. They are covered by it, even if they are not specifically mentioned and the part is what I mentioned, EPC of the 14th.
    Oh, you are trying to claim that the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment covers redefining marriage? It was to protect the rights of slaves. Nothing to do with marriage at all.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    7 million votes for prop 8, about 5 million registered republicans (some percentage are christian conservatives, some percentage are not, some percentage didn't even vote). At least 2 million democrats and independents were against it in a democrat windfall election.
    Okay, so? Most likely it was more than that. Still doesn't change anything I said. People are not required to vote with their party, even if they are registered with a certain party. There are actually numerous Republicans (registered and everything) that support same sex marriage being legal. Just as there are numerous Democrats who are against same sex marriage (granted, there are most definitely more Repubs against same sex marriage than Dems against it, just as there are more Dems for it than Repubs). Again, does not change any contention that I made. I said nothing about what party affiliation anyone was registered with, but rather mentioned conservative Christians and how they would likely vote when it comes to same sex marriage and how they may in fact change that view and therefore their vote on that particular issue.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, you are trying to claim that the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment covers redefining marriage? It was to protect the rights of slaves. Nothing to do with marriage at all.
    It worked when it came to interracial marriage bans. Loving v VA. It protects the right of all citizens to have equal protection of the laws. Do a little more research, and you may learn something about what all is covered under the EPC. I guarantee you are wrong about it just protecting the rights of slaves. In fact, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of slaves since it was put into place after slavery was outlawed.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It worked when it came to interracial marriage bans. Loving v VA. It protects the right of all citizens to have equal protection of the laws. Do a little more research, and you may learn something about what all is covered under the EPC. I guarantee you are wrong about it just protecting the rights of slaves. In fact, it has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of slaves since it was put into place after slavery was outlawed.
    No, you are not now trying to claim that one of the "slavery amendments" (the 13, 14, 15th amendments) has nothing to do with slavery. You think that that civil rights were all squared up when slavery ended? And you are asking me to do more research??? Jesus, what in Hell am I dealing with here?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No, you are not now trying to claim that one of the "slavery amendments" (the 13, 14, 15th amendments) has nothing to do with slavery. You think that that civil rights were all squared up when slavery ended? And you are asking me to do more research??? Jesus, what in Hell am I dealing with here?
    They are not called slavery amendments. They are commonly referred to as the "Civil War Amendments." The amendment that abolished slavery was the 13th. There is nothing in the 14th amendment limiting its application to slavery. Roguenuke is absolutely right. Here is text from the amendment:

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    The text is clear. Slavery is not the only thing that constitutes a violation of due process and equal protection.
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