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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A small majority in 2008. If you cannot understand that public opinion and therefore voting results change with time, particularly with issues such as this, then you are simply ignoring facts.
    The vote shows against, your hopes show not against.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Cool, but the majority voted against it in California.
    What if it was put to a vote today? Public opinion has changed. Anyhows public opinion should not have sway on individual rights like marriage.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What if it was put to a vote today? Public opinion has changed. Anyhows public opinion should not have sway on individual rights like marriage.
    Probably win.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The vote shows against, your hopes show not against.
    A vote from 2008. It doesn't go against anything I said. It is like trying to say that the vote in 1960 shows that the vast majority of Southern Americans want to see interracial couples in prison for attempting to get married or living together. It is wrong because the vote is outdated.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A vote from 2008. It doesn't go against anything I said. It is like trying to say that the vote in 1960 shows that the vast majority of Southern Americans want to see interracial couples in prison for attempting to get married or living together. It is wrong because the vote is outdated.
    They voted against gay marriage. If it was held today it would be easier to pass gay marriage because less minorities would be voting.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Probably win.

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    Oh jesh you are so full of it. Be ignorant of things like the Magna Catra and what not. With an id like scatt what else is one to expect though

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They voted against gay marriage. If it was held today it would be easier to pass gay marriage because less minorities would be voting.
    It was voted against in 2008. That is what we have been trying to tell you. Votes are meaningless in this debate when it comes to validity because they become outdated pretty shortly after they occur, particularly if they are taken on the cusp of an raising trend where the vote did not reflect that trend, but only by a small margin, which is exactly what happened with Prop 8. Basically it rode the very coattails of the downslide of support for banning same sex marriage in California public opinion and squeaked in at the right time. It likely would not have even passed a year later, let alone 5 years, as it has now been.

    The reason that it would be easier to get same sex marriage to pass in this state now is because of all the reasons we see the rising trend in same sex across the US. The majority of the opposition comes from two fronts, conservative Christians and older generations. Older generations naturally grow old and die. That is part of life. That dwindles those numbers at a pretty steady pace while the number of supporters for same sex marriage when it comes to voters each year because each year we have more people reaching voting age. There is also a slow decline in conservative Christians, especially those so fixed in their beliefs that they hold onto them despite changing opinion of the world around them.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was voted against in 2008. That is what we have been trying to tell you. Votes are meaningless in this debate when it comes to validity because they become outdated pretty shortly after they occur, particularly if they are taken on the cusp of an raising trend where the vote did not reflect that trend, but only by a small margin, which is exactly what happened with Prop 8. Basically it rode the very coattails of the downslide of support for banning same sex marriage in California public opinion and squeaked in at the right time. It likely would not have even passed a year later, let alone 5 years, as it has now been.

    The reason that it would be easier to get same sex marriage to pass in this state now is because of all the reasons we see the rising trend in same sex across the US. The majority of the opposition comes from two fronts, conservative Christians and older generations. Older generations naturally grow old and die. That is part of life. That dwindles those numbers at a pretty steady pace while the number of supporters for same sex marriage when it comes to voters each year because each year we have more people reaching voting age. There is also a slow decline in conservative Christians, especially those so fixed in their beliefs that they hold onto them despite changing opinion of the world around them.
    A lot of conservative christians in the democrat stronghold of California?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    A lot of conservative christians in the democrat stronghold of California?
    Yes. Millions of them.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The only numbers there are is the vote against gay marriage.
    Not true: Maine, Maryland and Washington legalized gay marriage per voter referendum. Oregon is voting in November, 2014.

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    A lot of conservative christians in the democrat stronghold of California?
    Yes. Even counting just Republicans, there are more Republican voters in California than there are in Texas.

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