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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.
    Except when you do

    And therefore, even you don;t believe you have the right to be free of state intervention
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It was society created (in pretty much every society on the planet to have existed). But it was created as a recognized kinship relationship. It has been used by countless civilizations as a way to join people as families and to in fact join families themselves. Some of our modern ideas are much different than those of the past, such as our system of laws and massive bureaucracy, but it doesn't change the fact that marriage has been used by people for a long time to recognize a specific kind of relationship between two people, generally involving intimacy and a longterm commitment as the two main points of that relationship.
    Society does not mean state.

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    I think you're confusing the term "state" to mean one of the 50 United States. You don't want a government. Has that been the problem all along? You don't know that the word "state" is also used to reference a nation?
    I think you are confusing that. A state refers to the states and the federal state, and all foreign states.

    A government can have the consent of all the governed and therefore not be a state.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
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    be free of state intervention
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That's interesting. Obviously we wouldn't need that anymore, since we have genetic testing available to us.

    Although, there have been some cases where mothers have almost lost their children because genetic testing showed the children were not theirs, but more likely to be a sister's kid or someone else related to them. After months of battling, they proved that these mothers were chimeric, meaning they had at least two different sets of DNA in their body. One woman had to have the social worker inside her delivery room with her to prove that she delivered her child, and then the child was tested, and luckily showed up as having the different DNA, so that she could prove the claim that yes there was something different about her genes going to her children to get back her other children. Even genetics aren't foolproof, despite popular belief. I actually started looking into it after watching an episode of CSI and found it was true.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/17/sc...take.html?_r=0

    Birth certificates, just like marriage licenses, help to simplify establishing legal kinships for us. Sure there are some problems, such as people using them to deny access to that legal kinship for certain groups, but hopefully we can fix that by opening up marriage without any regard to sex/gender and even possibly finding a way to allow at least a recognition of multiple spouses as kin, even if some changes or legal measures need to be made/taken to allow for this.
    Hadn't heard about the cases re mothers almost losing kids due to the chimera thing - thanks for sending the article link!

    I had heard of bicyclists CLAIMING they were chimeric and that's why their blood tests looked funny...don't think the cycling authorities ever have bought it though; they went with the "reinjected blood" thing...

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    I think Scatt is trolling.
    ya think? yeah...

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.
    Except when you do because we have no right to be free of state intervention
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Except when you do

    we have no right to
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.
    Except when you do because we have no right to be free of state intervention
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Except when you do

    we have no right to
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.
    Except when you do because we have no right to be free of state intervention
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except when you do

    we have no right to
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.

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