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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The state made it an issue because it already was an issue. Governments have recognized spouses for a long time, even if it wasn't always done through paperwork. Many countries in the past had rules governing how many wives or husbands a person could claim legally. The only difference now is that we use a document to prove the relationship rather than taking people's word on it. But we also have a lot more people to deal with now and a lot difference technology than in the past, before written documents were used to verify spousal relationships. It doesn't change the fact that there has always been some sort of legal recognition of such relationships, and therefore some government involvement in them.
    They made it a state issue because they wanted the state to be involved.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except I don't.
    Except when you do

    Rights do not exist, and there is not anarchy now.
    So you don't have the right to be free of state intervention?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except when you do

    So you don't have the right to
    Except I don't.

    Rights do not exist.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They made it a state issue because they wanted the state to be involved.
    The state, government has always been involved. That is why in the past marriages to create alliances between countries worked. That is why in the past there was so much of an issue with divorce. The state was involved, just not in a way that is written down, as we do now.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Of course it applies to the states. But why were the Chicago (democrat) lawmakers unaware of this?
    Differing interpretations of the second amendment.

    Birth certificates and adoptions do not require a state.
    They do if you want them to mean anything legally. But you don't want a state, therefore you don't want laws, so that probably doesn't matter to you.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Differing interpretations of the second amendment.

    They do if you want them to mean anything legally. But you don't want a state, therefore you don't want laws, so that probably doesn't matter to you.
    When it comes to guns you mean. Because things they politically like they want applied to the states.

    If you want them to mean something to the state, sure. Laws are not tied to states either.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The state, government has always been involved. That is why in the past marriages to create alliances between countries worked. That is why in the past there was so much of an issue with divorce. The state was involved, just not in a way that is written down, as we do now.
    Marriage was not state created.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except I don't.

    Rights do not exist.
    Except when you do

    And therefore, even you don;t believe you have the right to be free of state intevention
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except when you do

    And therefore, even you don;t believe you have the right to
    Except I don't.

    Rights don't exist.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Marriage was not state created.
    It was society created (in pretty much every society on the planet to have existed). But it was created as a recognized kinship relationship. It has been used by countless civilizations as a way to join people as families and to in fact join families themselves. Some of our modern ideas are much different than those of the past, such as our system of laws and massive bureaucracy, but it doesn't change the fact that marriage has been used by people for a long time to recognize a specific kind of relationship between two people, generally involving intimacy and a longterm commitment as the two main points of that relationship.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    When it comes to guns you mean. Because things they politically like they want applied to the states.

    If you want them to mean something to the state, sure. Laws are not tied to states either.
    I think you're confusing the term "state" to mean one of the 50 United States. You don't want a government. Has that been the problem all along? You don't know that the word "state" is also used to reference a nation?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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