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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    For the adoption to be legally recognized by the state, then yes the state is required for the adoption to exist. We are discussing legal recognition of kinship (since that is what this really is about when it comes to legal recognition of marriages), which means that people doing things illegally, such as going to another country and simply bringing home a child from that country, without any legal paperwork (assuming the child was allowed into our country to begin with without that legal paperwork proving adoption) whoever brought that child here would not have a legal claim over them. To claim them on taxes, they would need an SSN, which means needing legal paperwork. To have them covered under healthcare that the adult has or is trying to get, they need a SSN and likely a birth certificate. To enter school, a legal relationship has to be proven along with legal custody of that child. A legal relationship must be established in order for a parent/child relationship to be recognized legally within the US.
    Sure, the state must approve of all state specific situations.

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    So states should not be involved in marriage, but when states are involved in marriage, it's OK
    I support no state intervention. But if you are asking me a question with the premise that the state must exist (which you are), then states will do what they do -- regulate and punish based upon morality.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I support no state intervention. But if you are asking me a question with the premise that the state must exist (which you are), then states will do what they do -- regulate and punish based upon morality.
    You are lying. I never said the state must exist.

    You have been clear. Any state intervention in marriage is wrong.

    Unless the state is banning SSM. Then, state intervention is OK
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I never said the state must exist.
    Then I support no state intervention into any marriage.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Then I support no state intervention into any marriage.
    Then you oppose the state banning SSM.

    Except you don't
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Then you oppose the state banning SSM.

    Except you don't
    I oppose state intervention, yes.

    Except you are wrong.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Most theories of anarchy are formed around the idea that society governs itself. Many anarchist systems still have some sort of way to deal with aggressive acts. Take for example anarcho-capitalism that actually accept collective defense of individual liberty insofar as such groups are formed and paid for on an explicitly voluntary basis. These systems are not to be government run of course, but open to competition to lower cost and only protect against aggression of your natural rights. The society themselves, not the individual competitors or a ruling body would come up with the rules, not laws, to govern what is aggression. I'm not defending it of course, but as you can see society in this system comes up with the rules to govern themselves. The idea is almost exclusively mounted on the idea of self governance.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I oppose state intervention, yes.

    Except you are wrong.
    So you oppose state bans on SSM!!
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you oppose state bans on SSM
    I oppose state intervention into any marriage. What part is hard for you to understand?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I oppose state intervention into any marriage. What part is hard for you to understand?
    You oppose the state intervening to ban SSM

    Except you don't
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You oppose the state intervening to ban SSM

    Except you don't
    I oppose state intervention into marriage

    Except you are wrong.

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