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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Random? It is referred to as a landmark decision.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Due process, not equal protection. And it doesn't annoy me one bit, of course the 2nd applies to states, like everything else in the bill of rights,
    Yes, the 14th amendment applies this to the states. The 14th amendment.

    It annoys democrats, your alleged non-annoyance is of anecdotal concern (none). And it opens up annoyances for democrats and republicans.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    That is totally "unfair" to bisexuals, as they must get to marry one of each to be fair. I suggest that it is unlike race or gender since that characteristic is neither recognizable at birth, immutable nor included on a census form and, more importantly, is not mentioned by the constitution or any amendment. It is entirely a self declared characteristic, therefore no different than membership in a hum while walking club.
    This proves that you have no clue what bisexual means. Bisexuals would not be more likely than either homosexuals or heterosexuals to want to marry more than one person. The idea that they would is based on ignorance.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yes, the 14th amendment applies this to the states. The 14th amendment.

    It annoys democrats, your alleged non-annoyance is of anecdotal concern (none). And it opens up annoyances for democrats and republicans.
    Look up constitutional incorporation. The 2nd does apply to states, and that case you referenced upheld that.

    I've never heard a Democrat argue that the 2nd doesn't apply to states, so it's on you to prove that.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I'm not sure you are responding to the right person.

    I do not support state intervention (which would be "dictating the terms for everyone else").
    Then you shouldn't support birth certificates or adoptions either since they serve the same main purpose as marriage does, creating a legally recognized kinship between people.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Look up constitutional incorporation. The 2nd does apply to states, and that case you referenced upheld that.
    Of course it applies to the states. But why were the Chicago (democrat) lawmakers unaware of this?

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    Then you shouldn't support birth certificates or adoptions either since they serve the same main purpose as marriage does, creating a legally recognized kinship between people.
    Birth certificates and adoptions do not require a state.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Of course it applies to the states. But why were the Chicago (democrat) lawmakers unaware of this?



    Birth certificates and adoptions do not require a state.
    Against SSM or marriage in general by the state?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Against SSM or marriage in general by the state?
    In general.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Of course it applies to the states. But why were the Chicago (democrat) lawmakers unaware of this?

    Birth certificates and adoptions do not require a state.
    Legal birth certificates are issued by each state, as are adoption records. The state must recognize the parents as the legal parents of a child for them to be considered legal family.

    Now, with genetic testing, we have additional means of establishing parenthood in some cases, but it can be legally restricted or even removed with legal paperwork. You cannot simply claim a child as your own and expect to hold legal say and/or custody over that child. The state is involved.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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