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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And since the 14th amendment has yet to be repealed, the law in question violates the constitution. You definitely aren't getting sufficient votes to repeal the 14th.
    The 14th annoys both the democrats and the republicans, no way would it be repealed.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And since the 14th amendment has yet to be repealed, the law in question violates the constitution. You definitely aren't getting sufficient votes to repeal the 14th.
    I'm not arguing that. But the entire 14th would not have to be repealed. Just getting into place an Amendment that defined marriage as between a man and a woman would be sufficient. But I absolutely agree, there is extremely little chance of getting enough votes in the foreseeable future for such an Amendment. I was just clarifying that it is possible through voting, just not probable at all, not with our current public view about same sex marriage, which despite some people's opinion, is one of acceptance or at least tolerance.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    There is no right to be viewed a certain way.

    Is there some law that decides who can visit in hospitals, and if so how is this not a problem of the state?
    There is by the law. It is not a right to be viewed as married by individuals, but it is a right to be viewed as legal spouses under the law.

    There are laws that decide whether or not your place of employment has to give you leave in case of death or serious illness of a legal family member, including your spouse and inlaws. Family Leave Act. There are laws that place your family within an hierarchy when it comes to decisions and/or inheritance when there is no will or other documents to say otherwise (and sometimes even when there is such legal documents). Spouse is almost always at the top of that hierarchy when there is one.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not arguing that. But the entire 14th would not have to be repealed. Just getting into place an Amendment that defined marriage as between a man and a woman would be sufficient. But I absolutely agree, there is extremely little chance of getting enough votes in the foreseeable future for such an Amendment. I was just clarifying that it is possible through voting, just not probable at all, not with our current public view about same sex marriage, which despite some people's opinion, is one of acceptance or at least tolerance.
    That much is true, but under this option theoretically we can amend the constitution and become a communist dictatorship. It's about as likely at this point.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The 14th annoys both the democrats and the republicans, no way would it be repealed.
    Where do you see it annoying democrats? Obviously Republicans are mad at the inability to suppress same sex marriage that results.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Where do you see it annoying democrats?
    Guns.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Guns.
    Wrong amendment. Where has the 14th even been applied to a gun control case instead of the 2nd?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Wrong amendment. Where has the 14th even been applied to a gun control case instead of the 2nd?
    Did you miss McDonald v. Chicago?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Did you miss McDonald v. Chicago?
    Obviously. I don't track every random court case.

    Wiki says that was a due process issue, not equal protection.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Obviously. I don't track every random court case.
    Random? It is referred to as a landmark decision.

    McDonald v. Chicago (08-1521) | LII / Legal Information Institute

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