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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Can't answer, as those are not "problems".

    I'm simply pointing out that those things don't exist without government recognition of the establishment of a next-of-kin relationship, what we in reality call Civil Marriage recognition of a "Spouse".
    Except relation is irrelevant of the state.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except relation is irrelevant of the state.

    Not when it comes to legal matters, then relation is very relevant.


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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The hospital came up with this or is it law?



    What is your answer? Is there a law than bans family from hospital visitation?



    So state intervention will fix these problems of state intervention?
    Oh dear dear I'm totally convinced you don't know wtf you are talking about much less what an authoritarian law is.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yeah, because turning the 66% of voters that voted to put traditional marriage as the definition of marriage for their state into second class citizens and saying their right to vote and the states ability to define marriage for itself made an "irrational" decision is "cool."

    It's not cool, it's sick and such a massive injustice against freedom and human rights. Regardless of your stance on SSM, this is wrong on so many levels.
    Equal rights > majority rule.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Oh dear dear I'm totally convinced you don't know wtf you are talking about much less what an authoritarian law is.
    I asked you if there is a law regarding hospital visitation.

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Not when it comes to legal matters, then relation is very relevant.
    Except when it comes to the state?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An opinion I suspect you never once shared until it became obvious that same-sex marriage was going to happen.

    Yeah, think you nailed it here...

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I asked you if there is a law regarding hospital visitation.
    And I already showed you Now what about authoritarian marriage laws

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You said the state interest in defining marriage as not meaning same-sex was that changing a definition is a burden. I don't care what you claim to think about marriage contracts. I was asking about an equal protection challenge and your idea of a state interest is that equal protection is a "burden." Maybe you think marriage contracts shouldn't exist. Fine, that's your belief. But back in reality, they do exist. If the state is going to recognize them and apply a gender-based distinction regarding a contract between two private individuals, it has to show an important state interest in making that distinction.

    And your answer was that equal protection is a "burden." The ultimate authoritarian answer: the state can dodge equal protection if it doesn't feel like providing it. A real "small government" type would agree that if marriage contracts are going to exist, a gender-based classification is unacceptable in absence of a compelling reason to justify it.
    Not to mention...altho it was previously...that to engage in all those contracts and privileges and protections in separate transactions with lawyers would cost people $$$$$ for something that licensing by the state provides for FREE.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And I already showed you Now what about authoritarian marriage laws
    You showed a bunch of state authoritarian laws.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not to mention...altho it was previously...that to engage in all those contracts and privileges and protections in separate transactions with lawyers would cost people $$$$$ for something that licensing by the state provides for FREE.
    We wouldn't want people to spend money on something they want. That would be bad.

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