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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    So, like I said, claiming to be an anarchist.
    No, anarchists claim they can do anything.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    What is stopping people from visiting?
    Hospital visitation was just an example. The question was which laws regulating marriage are authoritarian. I was hoping you could come up with an example. BTW families have been known to deny hospital visitation to people's significant others in the past.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Hospital visitation was just an example. The question was which laws regulating marriage are authoritarian. I was hoping you could come up with an example. BTW families have been known to deny hospital visitation to people's significant others in the past.
    What law states a family can deny access to the hospital visitation?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    No, anarchists claim they can do anything.
    No, anarchists claim there shouldn't be a state. Which is effectively your belief, because you believe a state shouldn't do anything.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, anarchists claim there shouldn't be a state. Which is effectively your belief, because you believe a state shouldn't do anything.
    Again, that is where the self-labeling part comes in. The things they support require a state.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    I said they are things that are part of government recognition of Civil Marriage. Personally I like being able to have my spouse on my employer health insurance, I like being able to transfer property to my wife without it being subject to taxes, I like the fact that when I die if she needs to sell the house she can sell it and take the married exemption ($500,000) verses having only the single exemption ($250,000), I like the fact that when I die we can be buried together in a Veterans cemetery, I like the fact that she is my family next-of-kin by default in case I'm incapacitated and cannot make decisions for myself, and I like the fact that when Uncle Same said "Son, your going to Japan for the next 4 years" that they moved her with me and provided Command Sponsorship under the Status of Forces agreement for an accompanied tour. Since she often put her career on hold for us to be assigned to different places together I like the fact that she will receive part of my Social Security and Military Pension when I die.
    Those can all be accomplished without a state.

    Since all of them (minus Employer Health Insurance) involves the state, not they cannot be duplicated without state involvement.

    Taxes - government recognition

    Veterans Burial - government recognition

    Legal Next of Kin be default - government recognition

    Social Security - government

    Military Survivor Benefit - government

    Military Change of Station Orders - government

    Immigration - government



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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    What law states a family can deny access to the hospital visitation?
    Protecting Your Visitation & Decision-Making Rights | Resources | Human Rights Campaign

    Okay now that is settled. What laws in regards to marriage are authoritarian ?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    What is stopping people from visiting?
    When the patient is awake and competent nothing.

    When the patient has been in an accident hospitals only allow next-of-kin to visit in the ICU and to make medical decisions. Civil Marriage establishes the spouse as next-of-kin and provides that without prior medical documentation, that the spouse is the one that makes life and death decisions.


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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    When the patient is awake and competent nothing.

    When the patient has been in an accident hospitals only allow next-of-kin to visit in the ICU and to make medical decisions. Civil Marriage establishes the spouse as next-of-kin and provides that without prior medical documentation, that the spouse is the one that makes life and death decisions.
    The hospital came up with this or is it law?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Protecting Your Visitation & Decision-Making Rights | Resources | Human Rights Campaign

    Okay now that is settled. What laws in regards to marriage are authoritarian ?
    What is your answer? Is there a law than bans family from hospital visitation?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Since all of them (minus Employer Health Insurance) involves the state, not they cannot be duplicated without state involvement.

    Taxes - government recognition

    Veterans Burial - government recognition

    Legal Next of Kin be default - government recognition

    Social Security - government

    Military Survivor Benefit - government

    Military Change of Station Orders - government

    Immigration - government
    So state intervention will fix these problems of state intervention?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    So state intervention will fix these problems of state intervention?

    Can't answer, as again you call them "problems" - when they are not.

    I'm simply pointing out that those things don't exist without government recognition of the establishment of a next-of-kin relationship, what we in reality call Civil Marriage recognition of a "Spouse".


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