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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Well then if you're going to act like a bigot, then expect to be recognized as one. Deal with it.
    More leftist hate. You are boring me.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    More leftist hate. You are boring me.
    Yes, I proudly hate bigotry.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Sorry, but you don't have the right to tell me what the limits of my religious beliefs are. And they certainly don't interfere with anyone else's rights. And please, don't push that B.S. on me about equality. It's not equality. It's changing the definition of marriage for political gain. And really, it's time to shut up with the preaching of the B.S. In other words, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.
    No one is telling you to do anything with your religious beliefs. I see no need for them to change at all, why do you?

    And marriage's definition has changed many times...as appropriate to SOCIETY, not politics. It's about discrimination, just like Loving vs. Virginia.

    There's no BS....we are talking about marriage in America. If you wish to continue to base it on your religious views & cannot accept others, then I suggest you find a place that creates laws based on religion, not equality.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yeah but I dont like it, lol. But yes I am aware of that.

    I dont believe the govt should be involved in marriage at all.
    Ask yourself this question honestly. You don't even have to answer here, this is a sort of self-reflection question for you and for everyone else who says the government shouldn't be involved in marriage:

    Before it became obvious that same-sex marriage was going to happen, did you ever once express this belief? Or, as I suspect, did you only decide the government should get out of marriage when they started granting the right to people you disapprove of?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Because why, according to the court, Deuce? It discriminated against homosexuals.
    It discriminated against same-sex couples, yes, and therefore was in violation of the equal protection clause.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ask yourself this question honestly. You don't even have to answer here, this is a sort of self-reflection question for you and for everyone else who says the government shouldn't be involved in marriage:

    Before it became obvious that same-sex marriage was going to happen, did you ever once express this belief? Or, as I suspect, did you only decide the government should get out of marriage when they started granting the right to people you disapprove of?
    I know this wasn't addressed to me, but here are my comments:

    I am totally in favor of same sex marriage.

    However, well before it became an issue - it bugged the hell out of me that the govt was involved.

    My boyfriend and I were living together; we were perfectly happy and didn't see why we needed the govt to make our pairing official. BUT - this was the mid-80s. There are a ton of benefits if we did the legal thing - he could be on my health care; less taxes if we sold our house; if one of us died, property taxes wouldn't go up if we were married officially, would if we weren't; hospital visitation was tied to legal status; on and on and on.

    So while I did not need govt to sanction my relationship in any moral or emotional way - I needed the benefits that came with it so we got married. Easy to do; we were on a vacation in Hawaii and tied the knot.

    Unfortunately, a same sex couple we knew did not have the same opportunity; longtime partners - almost 30 years - one of them died. The other had to sell the house, because he could not afford the increased property taxes (which would not have happened if they had been married).

    So well before it was obvious that same-sex marriage would be happening I both a) said govt shouldn't be in the business of marriage and b) said that same sex couples should be able to get married; that it was ridiculous that my b/f and I got so many benefits just from getting married while that long-term couple couldn't. (we ended up divorcing; total time together , including dating, maybe 15 years? which couple was a better bet?)


    (funny side note: I kept my name when we got married, as did he. After a few months, we hadn't gotten his medical card from <large hmo>. I asked my company to check into it; they asked the HMO and the HMO said basically "because we had different last names, they didn't believe we were married". My company, to their credit, said "if we say they are married, they are married" and we got covered. I assume the HMO doesn't do that anymore.)

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It discriminated against same-sex couples, yes, and therefore was in violation of the equal protection clause.
    Specifically:

    The state’s current laws deny its gay and lesbian citizens their fundamental right to marry
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

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    Yes, I proudly hate bigotry.
    I am against bigotry also! I also love puppies and kittens. Do you?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Specifically:
    Yes, by barring same-sex couples the right to marry.

    No state defines marriage as between two heterosexuals. Some states define marriage as between one man and one woman. A gender-based distinction, not sexuality. Your error is conflating marriage with sexual desire. (clearly not being married yourself, then! )
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I am against bigotry also! I also love puppies and kittens. Do you?
    Do you believe that your religious beliefs, sincere and earnest as they are, are sufficient grounds to decide the law for other people?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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