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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An opinion I suspect you never once shared until it became obvious that same-sex marriage was going to happen. Wanting to take your ball and go home, and all that. Are you married, by any chance?

    Under the 14th amendment to the US constitution, equal protection under the law. In an equal protection challenge, the state must demonstrate an "important state interest" in making a gender-based classification, and show that the measure is "substantially related" to that interest.


    Why is that relevant?
    You suspect wrongly (like usual).

    Never meaning same sex would qualify.

    The state is slow.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You suspect wrongly (like usual).

    Never meaning same sex would qualify.

    The state is slow.
    Wait, you think "marriage doesn't mean same-sex" is an important state interest? Elaborate.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    What makes this really interesting is that the Federal court which ruled on this also has jurisdiction over places like Wyoming, Colorado, and.........

    Wait for it...............

    Kansas.

    Fred Phelps' head just exploded. LOL.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait, you think "marriage doesn't mean same-sex" is an important state interest? Elaborate.
    To "gender-based" clarification, of course.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What makes this really interesting is that the Federal court which ruled on this also has jurisdiction over places like Wyoming, Colorado, and.........

    Wait for it...............

    Kansas.

    Fred Phelps' head just exploded. LOL.
    And with the appeals moving this higher up the ladder, the chances of this becoming binding for more than just Utah increase.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    To "gender-based" clarification, of course.
    You don't seem to understand. Making the classification isn't the state interest. The state needs to show an interest or they don't get to make that classification at all.

    Basically, the state can't discriminate using gender as a basis without showing a solid reason. A law that makes it illegal for women to drive wouldn't stand up to an equal protection challenge, because no state interest is served by making only men drive cars.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You don't seem to understand. Making the classification isn't the state interest. The state needs to show an interest or they don't get to make that classification at all.

    Basically, the state can't discriminate using gender as a basis without showing a solid reason. A law that makes it illegal for women to drive wouldn't stand up to an equal protection challenge, because no state interest is served by making only men drive cars.
    The fact that marriage didn't mean same sex is why.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The fact that marriage didn't mean same sex is why.
    "Marriage doesn't mean sex" is a state interest? What does the state gain by making that determination?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Marriage doesn't mean sex" is a state interest? What does the state gain by making that determination?
    Same sex.

    Yeah, the state is not burdened by definition changes for political reasons.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Same sex.

    Yeah, the state is not burdened by definition changes for political reasons.
    Maybe "the state can't be arsed to grant freedom" is an important interest in your authoritarian universe, but in the real world that doesn't pass the test.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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