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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your argument is irrational. No one is stopping them from getting married. When the government is involved in marriage they are coming up with terms of marriage and the contract. If the government were to step aside then no one would be involved in peoples marriages except those involved in the marriage itself.
    Yanno legal things like rights to inheritance hospital visitation rights are involved in this

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    People can currently form their own marriages through contracts and religious services without getting a state license. Nobody currently has to rely on the government. However, some people like state marriages. So why do you want to eliminate state marriages for people who would like to have them? That seems irrational to me.
    The government has no business involving itself in the relationships of people or promoting families for that matter. Government marriage is just a way for people to get benefit from the state and that mindset needs to be eliminated, not empowered.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government has no business involving itself in the relationships of people or promoting families for that matter. Government marriage is just a way for people to get benefit from the state and that mindset needs to be eliminated, not empowered.
    Ah, so you want to control how people think. If some people choose a state marriage to get benefits from the state then that is their choice. Are they not entitled to their choice?
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yanno legal things like rights to inheritance hospital visitation rights are involved in this
    Why not just put them in your will? You can probably guess where I stand on the idea of hospital visitation rights.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Ah, so you want to control how people think. If some people choose a state marriage to get benefits from the state then that is their choice. Are they not entitled to their choice?
    The government should not empower the idea that the government is someone to gain personal favors from. They are free to think whatever they desire, but their mindset needs to seize to be empowered.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government has no business involving itself in the relationships of people or promoting families for that matter. Government marriage is just a way for people to get benefit from the state and that mindset needs to be eliminated, not empowered.
    So ho w to deal with property?

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So ho w to deal with property?
    It can be in your marriage contract or you could just be grown ups. Whatever.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I've noticed that the "I don't think the government should be involved in marriage" line of reasoning and the push toward marriage equality seem to have evolved simultaneously and at an almost identical rate. Smacks to me of "If it's not just ours anymore, nobody can have it!"
    The argument has been hijacked by social conservative nuts. In an ideal world there would be no marriages licenses. But until then I am as strongly pro marriage equality (and by that I mean give same-sex couples marriage licenses) as you can get.
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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The argument has been hijacked by social conservative nuts. In an ideal world there would be no marriages licenses. But until then I am as strongly pro marriage equality (and by that I mean give same-sex couples marriage licenses) as you can get.
    The more you empower the state on an issue the less likely they will step aside.

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    Re: Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why not just put them in your will? You can probably guess where I stand on the idea of hospital visitation rights.
    A marriage contract makes numerous things like this automatic, without having to pay lawyers thousands of dollars to properly draw up a bunch of different contracts that may or may not be immediately recognized and followed by a hospital, business, or state.
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